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So the Corolla weighs over 500 pounds more than my ECHO. Thats 25% heavier. Hard to believe it gets the same mileage at any speed. VERY hard to believe. Dont pay any attention to stevetroll333.
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Replying to: bricknord (Apr 26, 2006 4:09 am) |
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 26, 2006 3:00 pm) at any rate my mpg numbers are real, and im very methodical about keeping track of mileage. my driving habits, though, are very geared toward achieving high mileage. there are plenty of other 03-06 corolla owners with manual tranny doing as well as i. still, ive read alot of account of echo owners getting some crazy highway mileage- like 45+ mpg, and close to 40 mpg in more urban settings. if i drove an echo in the exact same fashion that i drive the corolla, i would expect to do better than i do in the corolla. |
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The dealers I have talked to have told me I will have to special order the options I want. 5 month wait. They said they will only be getting cars with either the convenience pack or the power pack. Floor mats pk is the only stand alone option they are ordering. They seem to be looking down their nose at the hatchback. Has anyone even seen an advertisement for the Yaris hatchback? 
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| My ECHO gets 40-42 mpg in the summer driving it to work, about 6 miles and 9 stoplights away. Thats about all I use it for. I once filled the tank, drove 200 miles at 60 mph, and filled it again. The mileage came to 51. Could be a fluke/mistake. I almost never drive on the highway. | |
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Replying to: steve333 (Apr 26, 2006 1:46 pm) |
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 26, 2006 5:02 am) The argument that claims ABS is useless or of marginal value is about like the arguments where someone knows the 1 person who was hurt by actually wearing a seatbelt, or the 1%-er who would have been better off without an airbag, IMHO. ABS is misunderstood. It is not intended to make you stop shorter. It is to allow you to have more steering in the event of a skid. See, when you skid, and the wheels stop turning, you can no longer steer since your steering wheels have to turn to be effective. No human can pump the brakes on and off 15 times per second while steering and driving effectively. Of course, no system will completely reverse the laws of physics, either. There must be a reason why aircraft and heavy trucks have used ABS for many years now, and were the first to utilize the system. I doubt is was because it was a useless idea.  I beg to differ with those who claim ABS, stability contol, etc, are not invaluable. Sure, there is a tiny instance where maybe not, and .5 percent of drivers might be that skilled that they can do as well on their own. For you non-believers, I invite you to go to a track with a wet skidpad and try some accident avoidance in a car with and without ABS, and car with and without stability control. One course I attended at the Panoz facility in Braselton, GA, I had a really talented instructor, and he told me that no matter how good he was, the truth was he could not beat ABS or ESP ( stab control ) when it came down to it. Then he proceeded to take me out on a couple of demos of the systems, avoiding hay bales, etc, and proved it to me. To each his own. Some people think the moon landing was faked in 1969, too, and they are entitled to their opinions. I'll stick with ABS. I do agree that some may overdrive the ABS system feeling a false sense of security. Since that is not how I drive, not a concern to me. I went to look at the Yaris today on the way home. Unfortunately, I got a clueless salesperson who did not know that the sedan even had AMS available. First he told me it was not an option, until I pointed it out on the window sticker. Then, he tried to talk me into a Corolla instead. Too bad that with 30 min of internet research, I knew far more about the car than he. The fact that he took a cell phone call in the middle of talking to me, and told the person on the other end that he would be done with me in 10 minutes kind of made me think, hmm, so I only have 15 total minutes with you? After hanging up, he proceeded to tell me that for my information all Yaris were sold at MSRP. I had not even asked about price. So, I couldn't see even considering spending money at a place where their people are this incompetent, so I left disappointed. Anyway, glad to hear that ABS is an option on the hatch. Now, when I get ready, all I have to do is find a Toyota dealer with any semblance of knowledge and tact. I used to sell Audis for a few years, and I guess maybe I am used to high end stores like Audi and BMW, where it was my experience that people are treated a little differently and salespeople are a heck of a lot more professional. I don't know. Quite shocked at the ignorance and lack of sales skills at the Toyo place...sad.
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Replying to: steve333 (Apr 26, 2006 1:46 pm) FWIW, my conclusion is that the Yaris is the far superior car. Roughly the same money. The Yaris has much more of a solid feel. The interior seemed much more upscale in the Yaris. The Yaris will likely based on history have far better resale later. Actually, thinking I was going to go Aveo, after comparing the two, no comparison. I think I might like the Honda Fit a smidge better, though. |
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Replying to: steve333 (Apr 26, 2006 1:46 pm) Mackabee 
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If you dont go too fast for the road conditions you wont need ABS. Safe driving is accomplished by using your judgement, not by some mechanical device. If your cars ABS activates, you are probably going too fast for the road conditions. I do not get into "real severe pinches" I drive to AVOID them. I have ridden a motorcycle for 32 years. No accidents. No injuries. Ive never taken a motorcycle "safety" course either.
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