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#926 of 5511 Argh! I can't decide between the two! Help!
Nov 11, 2004 (7:35 am)
Wife and I are expecting second child so we have been looking hard at minivans. Quickly narrowed it to 05 Honda and Toyota. Test drove both. Have a couple price quotes on both (though still working two of them). It is a virtual tie! Argh!
There are plusses and minuses both ways, but two things stood out to me and I wondered if anyone had any comment:
1. When I test drove the Ody uphill, there was a low thrumming noise that you could hear when you pressed the accelerator. Foot off, noise gone. I didn't hear it in the Sienna. Anyone hear this? It sounded at first like a car was behind me that had a bad muffler and I was hearing that car, but no, it was the Ody.
2. AWD. What does everyone think about the need for AWD in a minivan? We live in Denver, which gets some snow though it melts fast.
This decision is driving me crazy. I'm trying to even get accessories thrown in, but the dealers are pretty firm. Thanks for any input! Our target price is $31-34K, and the offers we are getting are $34K and somewhat above.
#927 of 5511 Re: Argh! I can't decide between the two! Help! [denver5357]
Nov 11, 2004 (8:47 am)
What are the quotes for ody and sienna. I live in Denver too and unable to decide between the two.
I am thinking whichever is cheaper i would go for that.
Nov 11, 2004 (9:00 am)
The prices are heavily influenced by our specific needs, of course. We looked at the Honda EX-L with RES & NAVI and $1200 worth of accessories and ended up with a quote of $38,503 INCLUDING tax and dealer handling fee. That is basically 1000 below MSRP with NO breaks on anything else, which irked me. I think I am getting a better price outside Denver but am still working on it. Toyota has been a little slow to respond. Initiall a comparable vehicle without the accessories and the tax was going to come in around 35K, which seemed high to me. Where have you gone and what have you found? We are not in a hurry and can wait for a wile, so I'm not rushing into this. How do you feel about the two vans? Any impressions?
#929 of 5511 Re: Argh! I can't decide between the two! Help! [denver5357]
Nov 11, 2004 (9:19 am)
The Odyssey EX is MORE attractive inside and out than the Sienna LE and has more horsepower and torque.
The Odysey 3rd row folding seat is more easily operated than the Sienna. Odyssey 2nd row seats are more comfortable than 2nd row seats of the Sienna. Honda salesmen tend to be more friendly with less pressure than Toyota salesmen.
I have never hear of that noise in the Odyssey that you mentioned. Test drive another Odyssey for a 2nd opinion.
#930 of 5511 Re: Argh! I can't decide between the two! Help! [denver5357]
Nov 11, 2004 (9:43 am)
Oh, yeah, I'm sure there are a million comments on which one to get and why AWD is important and why it's not.
But if I live in Denver, and I've seen their hilly ice streets, I would get AWD and Run-Flat tires. But that's just one opinion.
Nov 11, 2004 (11:18 am)
"The Odyssey EX is MORE attractive inside and out than the Sienna LE..."
For me, the interior of Sienna is much more attractive than Odyssey. Just my taste.
#932 of 5511 Re: Comparison Shopping [cpstar]
Nov 11, 2004 (11:35 am)
No, it is a Sienna Limited FWD. However, I still haven't completed the purchase yet because the car hasn't arrived so we'll see if they try any bait and switch on me. If they do then I will go for the Odyssey Touring at $500 off MSRP.
#933 of 5511 Re: Argh! I can't decide between the two! Help! [denver5357]
Nov 11, 2004 (11:54 am)
We almost bought a 2005 Odyssey EX-L DVD & Navigation but at the last minute went for a 2005 Sienna FWD XLE DVD & Navigation. We would have to pay MSRP for the Ody or wait for a few more days to save $500. We got more than $4K off MSRP on the Sienna. We previously owned a 2001 Ody EX.
A few factors in our choice of Sienna over Ody:
1. 2nd-year model of Sienna vs. 1st-year model of Ody. We don't want to deal with any 1st-year bugs.
2. Sienna has longer power train warranty (5-year/60K-mile vs. 3-year/36K-mile).
3. quite a few useful features on Sienna (power tail gate, power front passenger seat, power 3rd-row vent windows, 3rd-row sun shades, auto 3-zone climate control, fog lights, auto on/off head lights, day-time running lights, tire pressure monitor, programmable power door lock/unlock, etc.) which the Ody lacks.
4. We couldn't wait.
After owning it for almost 4 weeks (over 1K miles now), we really like its luxurious interior and comfortable ride. It reminds us the Lexus GS (current generation) we once owned.
The regrets I have with it are:
1. It doesn't handle as well or sporty as our 2001 Ody. We test drove the 2005 Odys (both EX-L and Touring). They handle better than Sienna but not as well as the 2001 Ody. Maybe the tires on the 2005 Odys were over inflated.
2. It doesn't have a CD changer, which is replaced with a CD player because of the navigation. The CD player is behind the navitation screen, and it makes it more inconvenient to change CD.
3. No voice command for the navigation.
4. DVD screen is smaller than 2005 Ody. The DVD player is ceiling-mounted behind the 1st row, and we often bump our heads on it even when the screen is closed. It also makes it very difficult (if not impossible) to change/control the DVD from the 1st row.
5. DVD external audio input can't be played on the JBL speakers. Although the input is at the 3rd row and you can't control your external input from the 1st row, it would still be nice if I could play my MP3 on the speakers. Not sure whether the 2005 Ody can do this.
6. Horsepower/torque, which is sufficient but not as powerful as 2005 Ody.
7. premium gas for performance. The first tank from the dealer was regular. I filled premium after that and felt (but not really sure) some improvement in performance. Gas here hovers around $2.50, and I can save over 20 cents per gallon if I use regular.
#934 of 5511 Hpan ... thanks and good info
Nov 11, 2004 (12:11 pm)
You were looking at exactly the models we are looking at. I had wondered about the DVD player. I wish the Ody had 3rd row windows that open. And the 1st year bug thing makes me think. I had hoped I could get the Sienna quote down, but so far it isn't down enough!
#935 of 5511 Re: Argh! I can't decide between the two! Help! [denver5357]
Nov 11, 2004 (12:13 pm)
We found ourselves in a similar situation trying to decide between the Odyssey and the Sienna. Offers for both vehicles were nearly identical in price. We got a sitter for the kids and spent a good hour or so really looking at each vehicle and basically test driving them back to back. Ultimately we went with the Odyssey for a number small reasons that others might not even care about. We still felt we would have been happy with the Sienna as well. We gave the Toyota dealership a chance to beat the price of the Honda. They very reluctantly beat it by $50 and acted like they were making the ultimate sacrifice in doing so. We didn't like this tactic on their part and also felt a $50 savings on a $27,000+ purchase wasn't nearly enough for us to go with our 2nd choice (albeit an extremely close 2nd).
If AWD ends up being important then the Sienna wins out (maybe at that point you want to consider a Pilot, MDX, RX330, or other car-like SUV but with baby carriers, car seats, and small kids the higher step-in height is not as convenient.)