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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
Nov 07, 2004 (6:40 am)
"In addition, I like the rear independent suspension of the Honda, but I have seen older Odysseys sag excessively when loaded up. I can't find the payload capacity of the Honda. I think the Toyota is rated around 1500 pounds and comes standard with a towing package. Is this greater than most?"
We occasionally load up the back of our van, a 2001 T&C equipped with load leveling rear suspension (and tow package). You can't tell when its loaded whereas out 1996 T&C dragged it's tail. We are also considering a Honda to replace our 2001 T&C. Another consideration
#899 of 5511 Re: Recent Comparison, Purchase [mst]
Nov 07, 2004 (5:04 pm)
We can't see the logic in paying the kind of money you paid and not getting 2 power doors. We looked at the 2 vans and needed to compare an XLE Sienna to an EX Ody to have a somewhat fair comparison. We, too, could get an '05 Sienna for pretty much invoice but the deal we got on the Ody (around $1000 off of invoice depending how you factor our trade) made the Ody a much better deal. We were only going to upgrade the XLE with the basic safety features that come standard on the Ody....poor idea by Toyota. Hope you enjoy your van.
#900 of 5511 Re: Editors' Most Wanted.... [heywood1]
Nov 07, 2004 (5:09 pm)
I would think that a ton more hot air can be forced from the vehicle from the mid seat windows being lowered in either the Sienna or Ody...compared to the samll amount of hot air that the Sienna can force out with the still functioning vent windows. I'll take the side curtain airbags and front shoulder airbags as standard over the vent windows.
#901 of 5511 Back Row Vent Windows
Nov 07, 2004 (8:26 pm)
Back row vent windows sure are handy when your two boys decide to imitate the campfire bean-eating scene from Blazing Saddles!!!
#902 of 5511 Poor reliability on 99 odyssey makes Sienna look better
Nov 07, 2004 (9:01 pm)
I bought a '99 Odyssey and am looking to replace it with either the 05 Odyssey or Sienna. The Honda NAV and RES look much nicer than the Toyota counterparts but my Lexus is so much more reliable than my Honda that I am scared to buy another Honda. I have had the door motors repaired at least three times and the transmission replaced in 69K miles so far. Fortunately I bought the extended warranty. Does anyone know when the Sienna is getting its next upgrade to match the batter electronics on the Honda? Even compared to my Lexus LS430 DVD based NAV system which is reported to be among the best, the Honda system with 6CD changer looked very nice.
#903 of 5511 Safety Features and $176 over invoice
Nov 07, 2004 (9:09 pm)
May have agreement with dealer to purchase XLE for $27,000. $25,831 invoice + $565 freight + $96 floor mats + $332 regional advertising + $176 profit.
Is this as low as anyone else is getting?
We were close to purchasing the '05 Odyssey EX, but am concerned about the alleged wind noise at high speeds. It seems a Odyssey EX is greater value than Sienna XLE based on the standard safety features. How important are the safety features, like side airbags and vsc? Should I look to add those safety features on the Sienna XLE?
#905 of 5511 Re: results are in [hansienna]
Nov 07, 2004 (11:09 pm)
Wrong. If consumer report is bogus, then your post is a lie.
#1. Odyssey does not have better leg room for all three rows.
front Sienna 42.9 vs Ody 40.8
2nd row both are 39.6
3rd row sienna 39.5 vs 41.1
The problem with Ody is that 3rd row is narrow.
In fact all three row, the ody are narrower than Sienna. Hence Odyssey space is actually smaller than Sienna.
#2. Wrong on temperature control. Sienna XLE and XLE limited has true 3 zone automatic temperature contorl. However, Odyssey Touring is the only one with true 3 zone automatic control. Therefore it's other way around. Odyssey only has true 3 zone control on the most expansive Touring, while Sienna has it except the CE and LE.
#906 of 5511 Re: Poor reliability on 99 odyssey makes Sienna look better [jsb16]
Nov 07, 2004 (11:21 pm)
Toyota already upgrade the navi for 2005 Sienna. And if you get the limited, your car already pre-wired for voice command.
The 2005 Navi has POI search feature and it matches Odyssey in terms of search capabilities. The biggest draw back on the toyota navi are as follows-
1. No navigation input access when moving.
2. Less voice command.
The difference between odyssey navi and sienna navi is not that big any more. Although Odyssey screen is still better and some menu are still more logically designed.
Toyota navi has some advantage as well. It's now easier to program multiple destinations at once. So you can pre-program your entire day trip.
For RES. Honda screen is better for the rear passenger. But honda does not allow front passenger to watch the DVD in park. But honda DVD is easier to control from the front.
As far as honda quality goes, i have never had good luck with Honda. Honda quality is way over rated.
#907 of 5511 Re: Editors' Most Wanted.... [andrewtran71]
Nov 07, 2004 (11:52 pm)
there is a couple things that Edmunds probably did not spend time to look into.
1. Navi is bigger and better. Well this is only true to some extent. However toyota did upgrade the navi for 2005. In terms of navi function, its actually slightly better and more powerful than Odyssey. Although voice command and menu design still lags. Therefore this should be much closer for 05.
2. DVD RES is better. Well, the screen is better. But functionally speaking Toyota allows DVD to be played on the screen up front. So it's really a wash. However Odyssey dvd control from the front is much better.
The biggest gripe i have with edmunds choice is probably that none of the editor has to live with the van for a long extended period and has to make a pick based on paper and limited experience.
For example, the HID with manual height control on the sienna is a must. It offers driver to see 3 times further than Odyssey with much brighter light as well. Especially useful when driving in total darkness. Odyssey light are decent but are totally outclassed by Sienna's superior design and use of HID. For this point, Odyssey would take a huge hit in active safety.
No one probably bothered to fit the van to max capacity as they would find out how narrow odyssey's seats are (espeically the 3rd row).
Not to mention the lesser quality of plastic and leather in the odyssey.
Sienna is not perfect either. It's dvd control is horrible from the front. The steering response is poor. But it's better executed minivan than Odyssey.
Minivan is used to transport 7 to 8 people in comfort for long distance. It's not suppose to be a sports sedan.
IMHO, honda paid too much on things that really is not minivan priority. It gave one of the best honda steering response to a minivan (while gave one of the worse to the TL). It gives owner a special designed wheel/pax tire package that is more of a problem (try to replace that special tire and wheel combination when you had a damaged tire plus rim in middle of nowhere). honda did not design the interior space well in the new odyssey. It does not include HID. All this for price identical to a better designed van in Sienna limited.
Yes, i know that picking the latest van to be winner is easiest thing to do. However, is that really the truth? Probably not. Espeically you have to live with it for a long period of time and you will be more aware what is truely needed in a minivan.