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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
#544 of 5511 More like Best Buy or Recommended...
Oct 15, 2004 (5:56 pm)
that is the difference between the Honda Odyssey and the Toyota Sienna. Both are good minivans, but one of them receives the highest rating.
Not only is it disappointing that Toyota has not made side curtain airbags standard, but they are very difficult to find on the Sienna. The Sienna with all the options you have to add is just too expensive and you still might not get the added safety that Honda makes standard in the Odyssey. Toyota needs to get rid of the numerous variations and make it simple for the consumer. When you go to a Toyota dealership is nearly impossible to find a vehicle equipped the way you one and they force the consumer to either pay for even more options they don't want or need or forgo them all together.
Toyota needs to stop compromising on safety and start making all of typical options consumers want as standard equipment. The problem with this then would be that the Sienna would be even more expensive than already exists the price difference.
Thank you Honda for keeping things simple. When all you have to do is pick the color of a 2005 Honda Odyssey EX costing $28,510, while on the Toyota Sienna XLE costing $29,025, here what you have to consider:
13 different option packages which are expensive (one of them actually costing $8,555) and brings the Sienna to a total grand price of $38,145.
Just look on this site at the comparison of the two vehicles and the demand is accurately reflected in the TMV (What Others Are Paying). The Honda Odyssey is selling at MSRP, but the Toyota Sienna is well below MSRP.
If you need further consideration of value, simply refer to Intellichoice or ConsumerGuide to note who get the best value rating...once again, the benchmark of minivans...the 2005 Honda Odyssey.
The Honda Odyssey receives the highest ranking, while Toyota Sienna receives "recommended" rating as it is on par, but may lack refinement, have a high price, or appeal to limited audiences.
#545 of 5511 Re: Door Switches [jsmath5]
Oct 15, 2004 (5:56 pm)
Thanks for the lesson on economics. Not everyone has the luxury of waiting for Odysseys to multiply to the level where supply bests demand. Personally, I do not think this is going to happen soon with respect to desireable models such as Touring with DVD/NAV and/or EXL with DVD/NAV. My wife is due with third child in one week! We ordered a 2004 Sienna XLE Limited with NAV/DVD back in July which, at the time, was without question the best van on the market. I was curious about the 2005 Honda Odyssey, but had no clue what the van would be like due to Honda keeping it under wraps. One week before Sienna was due to arrive at Toyota dealer, Honda dealer received five 2005 Odysseys. Two touring models (one with NAV/DVD and one without) and three EX (all without NAV). We drove the Touring with NAV/DVD and both liked the ride slightly better than Sienna. We both liked the exterior look of the Sienna better and how it hid the side door channels. We both liked the interior much better in Odyssey, especially the seats which are much more comfortable and not too small. I also like the fact the DVD player was not in the roof, making for better visibility. My kids will probably appreciate the larger DVD screen 9 vs. 7 inch. I hated the fact Honda would not budge off sticker. Never in my life have I paid sticker. I even negotiated $3k sticker of Wife's Lexus RX 300. I made up my mind the Odyssey was a better deal, given the added features and comfort even at sticker. Unfortunately, the local Honda dealer did not have the right color so we decided to go with Sienna, even though gut told me Odyssey was better van. Called Honda dealer three hours away two days later and surprisingly they actually had the van we wanted (silver Touring with black leather interior). This dealer wanted $2k over sticker. Paid $500.00 over sticker, but dealer gave me more $800.00 more on trade than Toyota would give and personally drove vehicle to my house to do the deal. I still ended up paying $1,500.00 less for 05 Odyssey Touring than 05 Sienna XLE Limited with NAV/DVD. I am still pissed at paying sticker and probably will always be, but what can you do when these vans are scarce? The only reservation I am having at this point is the discussion about these PAX tires. Why does everyone seem to rip these tires?
#546 of 5511 Re: KIA or HONDA? [dr_oldschool]
Oct 15, 2004 (8:25 pm)
Sorry, I know the Honda is a great buy, but I said the exact same thing to my spouse. It is boxy and the chrome trim around the windows makes it look just like the Sedona.
We drove both the Sienna and Ody today. Hands down the Ody has more power (smother acceleration) and more comfortable seats, but I cant get past the boxy exterior, black dash top and visible slider door tracks. The Sienna (in my opinion) just has a more pleasing look -smoother edges and no visible slider tracks, plus nicer alloys -16"and 17".
#547 of 5511 Why is the automatic tail gate wonderful now?
Oct 16, 2004 (7:20 am)
....when it was dismissed as a gimmick when DaimlerChrysler introduced it?
The "Magic Seat" was wonderful when introduced by Honda and 60/40 split "Magic Seat" wonderful when Toyota introduced it.
Praise all brands when a great idea is brought to market even if it is DaimlerChrysler.
Oct 16, 2004 (9:04 am)
The rear power tailgate is a "gimmick". I mean, who REALLY needs this?
#549 of 5511 Re: KIA or HONDA? [4usfishers]
Oct 16, 2004 (9:07 am)
I respect your opinion. Looks are, indeed subjective.
But, it's a MINIVAN! It's going to look "boxy".
I know we are all different but, for the life of me I'll never understand why the "looks" of a utility vehicle are that important.
I guess it's true..." the hand buys what the eye sees"
Oct 16, 2004 (9:53 am)
I love you man, you see it for what it is, with Honda safety is standard from the smallest to the largest price tag, so the LX buyer has the same safety as the Touring R & N. Toyota 27 packages, Honda 7 packages, safety is standard on all 7 Hondas.
#551 of 5511 floridacritic
Oct 16, 2004 (9:58 am)
Congradulations on the New Odyssey, you will love it. Best deal is to buy what's on a particular dealer's lot. Glad Honda came through, wouldn't like to see you driving what you thought was the 2nd best van, get the BEST!!!!!
People rip PAX tires because they don't have them and also don't understand how they work. They are just fine. BTW, resale value is better on the Honda, so even though you unfortunately paid sticker, if you trade, sell, get wrecked in it, it will return more money to your pocket.
#552 of 5511 Deals can be had on new Odyssey
Oct 16, 2004 (10:06 am)
Go to a dealer, if the van you want (color, model) is on the lot, say I will buy this van for $1000 off sticker RIGHT NOW, see what the salesman says, if it's me; you may have just got a deal on a new Odyssey.....SOLD!!!!! Timing and some luck go a long way.
Oct 16, 2004 (10:06 am)
Does anyone have "real world" mpg experience with the 05 Odyssey yet? Is the new engine helping gas mileage?