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Re: Odyssey vs. Sienna - Help! [dgro]
by ateixeira
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Nov 11, 2009 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: dgro (Nov 11, 2009 10:18 am)
Sienna LE had that standard in 2007, even without options packages, but again this is 2010 and that may have changed.
It's like they're playing games with us, no? Shuffling options each model year, adding this and removing that.
They want to keep us guessing. 
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Room for improvement
by ateixeira
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Nov 11, 2009 (10:54 am)
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That got me curious so I checked out the crash details. Both of these only earn an Average score for structural integrity in the side impact tests by IIHS. Ody also drops to Average for torso protection for the child dummy in the back.
The overall score is Good, but I think we can all agree there is room for improvement for both - plenty.
Compare images:
We should not get complacent, and instead demand that automakers continuously improve these designs.
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Re: Room for improvement [ateixeira]
by jayrider
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Nov 11, 2009 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 11, 2009 10:54 am)
Expect all the crash issues to be addressed in the 2011 sienna. I don't know if honda is doing a re-do on the ody for 2011 but would expect improvements there as well.
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Re: Room for improvement [jayrider]
by ateixeira
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Nov 11, 2009 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: jayrider (Nov 11, 2009 11:09 am)
Hopefully, but let's not assume that. In a few cases the scores can actually go down. Not likely, but it can happen.
Edit: I looked at the Entourage and Grand Caravan and neither of those have a Good rating for structural integrity in side impacts either. Let's see who can earn it first! 
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Re: Room for improvement [ateixeira]
by dbt
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Nov 11, 2009 (2:46 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 11, 2009 11:21 am)
Those images definitely show the weak point in a big box on wheels. It's real tough to get sufficient structural integrity to withstand the basher when you have a huge front door right next to an even huger sliding door. The SUV competitors (with conventional doors) are actually better for this, but face the problem of higher rollover.
There should be some solutions to it, but it will be costly. Tough to work around the geometry. To my eye, it looks like increasing the floor panel integrity at the B pillar would be something they should be looking into.
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Re: Odyssey vs. Sienna - Help! [jsseinfeld]
by bobber1
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Nov 11, 2009 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: jsseinfeld (Nov 11, 2009 5:46 am)
$1,800 difference would have not swayed me if the Honda had some more features(which I think you said it did) and if I liked it more. The interest deals a non factor since I usually go the cash route. Funny Honda doesn't have some interest rate deal. They usually do.
As I've said many times, they're both good vans. I've had my Honda for 3 years now and no regrets.
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Re: Odyssey vs. Sienna - Help! [bobber1]
by jayrider
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Nov 12, 2009 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: bobber1 (Nov 11, 2009 5:08 pm)
It is somewhat surprising that honda doesn't offer some form of incentive to match up better in price. If the vans are selling well than I guess there is no reason to deal. Market share issues could trigger some stuff in december I suppose. $1800 would be a factor for me if I was shopping now.
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Re: Odyssey vs. Sienna - Help! [jayrider]
by thegraduate
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Nov 12, 2009 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: jayrider (Nov 12, 2009 8:58 am)
Honda's probably a year away from a new Odyssey design. Toyota's current model will be the "old model" by early next year, making its current model value drop a little more than the Ody's would for this year, I'd think. Just like buying any car right before the new version comes out.
Just speculation here. Feel free to disagree. 
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Re: Odyssey vs. Sienna - Help! [thegraduate]
by jayrider
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Nov 12, 2009 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 12, 2009 10:05 am)
That makes sense -- getting rid of the old stuff by pricing it a bit better. Wonder if they will pump out a lot of 2010's just before the unveiling and put additional incentives to make up for the lag in inventory that new models usually produce? I don't even know why I asked that question --- could care less since the 2012 model is the soonest I'll be in the market.  Need to focus on lunch or improving my golf game. Makes more sense.
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Re: Odyssey vs. Sienna - Help! [jayrider]
by ateixeira
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Nov 12, 2009 (5:42 pm)
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Replying to: jayrider (Nov 12, 2009 10:30 am)
It varies, almost by season. Less than a year after I bought the Sienna people were reporting Ody prices had plunged, more than a grand lower than when I had shopped.
Timing matters - some times Toyota offers the better deal, other times it's Honda.
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