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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
#4859 of 5511 Re: VCM engine [olavanman]
May 19, 2009 (5:00 pm)
New EX-L owner.
VCM: For me I can not tell when it goes on and off.
For those with VCM issues, in 2007 or 2008 I believe Honda switched to VCM 2 which should be smoother than the old VCM. So unless you are testing the latest and greatest, your experience does not apply to new ody shoppers.
What surprised me about VCM: it goes on/off .... a lot. I thought once you where up to speed, the ody would think about it and then decide to switch a cylinder off, something that would happen a couple times a trip. But in reality iyou let up on the gas just a little, or go down a bit of a hill and it's shutting down cylinders.
I posted this above but it bears repeating: The Sienna gets a poor rating from IIHS on rear crash protection. It's amazing that consumer reports and parents magazine would pick as a top minivan something that has good safety ratings only on 3 sides.....
#4860 of 5511 Re: VCM engine [oddyshopper]
May 19, 2009 (9:15 pm)
This has been discussed here and on other forums a few times. Please know the green ECO light does not mean your VCM has kicked in. If you read the owner's manual, you will see VCM actually has no indicator and ECO light simply means you are in "economy" mode. You could well be running on all cylinders (literally and figuratively) while the ECO light is on. Others have gone through great pains to put LED lights to their cylinder bank to get noticed when VCM kicks in.
#4861 of 5511 Re: VCM engine [oddyshopper]
May 20, 2009 (6:53 am)
My Sienns simply shuts fuel off in those conditions (coasting, braking, going down hill), so it effectively saves the same amount of fuel.
Look at real-world tests - CR got the same mpg for the Ody and Sienna, and C&D got 3mpg better in their Sienna driving on the exact same roads.
As soon as I let off the gas to coast or brake my trip computer immediately jumps to 99mpg on the "instant mpg" readout. Works just as well (better?).
The rear crash protection you cite is really just an evaluation of the head rests.
Infants, toddlers, and little kids in boosters don't even use them - you would have to evaluate the child safety seat they are in instead, to see what sort of whiplash protection they offer. If you want your kids to be safe make sure you research how well their safety seats are rated, not a headrest several feet too high to be of use to them.
You're better off taking those off completely to increase visibility - your van will be safer that way.
Think about it.
#4862 of 5511 Head Restraint Test
May 20, 2009 (7:16 am)
Found the details, link:
The dummy used is an average-sized adult male, so these ratings do not apply for kids or even my wife.
Also, they have not even performed the dynamic test at all on the Sienna, so the ratings are based on static measurements only on the front driver's seat only. That doesn't take the seat frame into account at all.
Third, for the Ody they specify "EX model seats (AHR)", so the results don't necessarily apply to all models.
May 20, 2009 (7:45 am)
Since Honda dealers are selling Odysseys with nice discounts, will the resale value of the Odyssey drop?
While shopping for a new minivan, I discovered I can buy an Odyssey for thousands of dollars less than a comparable Sienna or Town and Country.
Has resale value of Odysseys been much better than Siennas because Odysseys have few options that depreciate faster than the base vehicle? A less expensive used Odyssey LX costs more than a used Sienna LE.
#4864 of 5511 Re: Resale value? [toyojunk]
May 20, 2009 (8:56 am)
You've been debunked already toyojunk/Hansienna. Please quit trying to spread misinformation.
#4865 of 5511 Re: Resale value? [toyojunk]
May 21, 2009 (10:35 am)
In the other thread your quote for a Sienan XLE well over $30 grand, meanwhile four others offered quotes of out-the-door prices under $30 grand.
It's not that the Ody costs thousands less, it's that you just got a terrible price quote on the Sienna.
Keep shopping. Everyone got better prices than you did, by far.
And with a handle like "toyojunk", do you honestly think people believe you're seriously shopping for another Toyota? I don't.
#4866 of 5511 Re: Resale value? [yatesjo]
May 25, 2009 (6:58 pm)
Are yatesjo and ateixeira examples of Toyota owners who praise the over priced Sienna but wish they owned the superior Odyssey which handles much nicer and has a much better resale value?
#4867 of 5511 Re: Chose the Odyssey over the Sienna [oddyshopper]
May 25, 2009 (7:18 pm)
Wise decision. People who closely compare the Odyssey and Sienna will buy the superior Odyssey which handles better than the Sienna and has a better seating arrangement.
#4868 of 5511 Re: Chose the Odyssey over the Sienna [toyojunk]
May 25, 2009 (9:55 pm)
The Odyssey is not Superior to the Sienna.
Handling? haha were talking about minivans here, besides my Sienna handles just as well as any Odyssey I driven, but I have tons more power and can get better gas mileage.
By the way dumping the stock tires on the Sienna improves handling tons, we have a set of Yokohama Avid's on ours and it's like night and day.