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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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#4809 of 5511 Re: - [dudleyr] by ateixeira

Apr 16, 2009 (12:05 pm)

Replying to: dudleyr (Apr 15, 2009 12:11 pm)
Much is talked about the confusing packages from Toyota, but with a little homework back in 2007 when I bought mine, you could get rough equivalents:
 
I will use ~= to mean "roughly equal to"
 
Back then, at least:
 
Ody LX ~= CE pkg 2
Ody EX ~= LE pkg 3
Ody EX-L ~= XLE pkg 6
Ody EXL-RES ~= XLE pkg 7
Ody EXL-RES-Navi ~= XLE pkg 8
 
and so on.
 
Those are the models I considered, at least. I'm sure Touring ~= some variation of the Limited, etc.
 
If anything you actually have more combinations from Toyota, even if it's not exactly what you wanted.
 
But I could complain about the Ody - why was VCM only featured on the expensive models? Fuel savings for rich people who don't need the savings? The exact opposite would make more sense, IMHO.
 
Where's AWD? (Sienna forces you in to run-flats I did not want, not to mention the 7 passenger model only, so problem for both)
 
Why do I have to get leather to get Navi or RES?
 
Why does the trip computer only come on the big bucks Touring? I love the avg mpg readout on my el-cheapo Sienna LE.
 
I think for economies of scale reasons it makes sense for Honda to make packages simple, but it's hard to get exactly what you want. Even when Toyota doesn't, it's still hard.

#4810 of 5511 Re: - [ateixeira] by vanneeded

Apr 16, 2009 (5:07 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 16, 2009 12:05 pm)
Sienna vs. Odyssey seems to be the big debate when it comes to vans - what about a newcomer like the VW Routan? How does it compare in value to the Big 2?

#4811 of 5511 Re: - [vanneeded] by thegraduate

Apr 16, 2009 (5:11 pm)

Replying to: vanneeded (Apr 16, 2009 5:07 pm)
The Routan is a mildly reworked Dodge Grand Caravan, just an FYI.

#4812 of 5511 Re: - [ateixeira] by loncray

Apr 17, 2009 (6:29 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 16, 2009 12:05 pm)
But I could complain about the Ody - why was VCM only featured on the expensive models? Fuel savings for rich people who don't need the savings? The exact opposite would make more sense, IMHO.
 
Because the technology costs money. The VCM engine is more expensive than the non-VCM engine, so it goes into the more expensive van. This technology isn't designed to save poor people on their fuel costs, it's designed to make money for Honda by saving the buyers of the more expensive minivans money on THEIR fuel costs.

#4813 of 5511 Chose the Odyssey over the Sienna by oddyshopper

Apr 17, 2009 (6:53 am)

We recently went through this drill and choose the Odyssey over the Sienna.
 
Reasons:
 
Sienna fails rear impact tests on the insurance industries rear impact geometry/dynamic tests.
 
Currently when you look at all the tests the Odyssey is in the top 1% of all vehicles and the safest mini van. Check out www.informedforlife.com for a nice look at all the data sources for safety.
 
Also, Honda, with $3K+ plus dealer incentives was way-more affordable. Way under invoice. CARMAX was actually trying to get us to pay more for a 2008 Odyssey with 6K models then we where getting quoted for on th e 2009 Odyssey new. The toyota dealer did not seem as motiviated....

#4814 of 5511 Re: Chose the Odyssey over the Sienna [oddyshopper] by yatesjo

Apr 17, 2009 (12:10 pm)

Replying to: oddyshopper (Apr 17, 2009 6:53 am)
I bought a Toyota last year and found that Toyota had the better incentives and their dealers were willing to negociate a lot more. I had a similar experience with the used van market too- late model used vans were being offered for the same or more than new vans.
 
I was blown away when I made an offer on a used van based on a reasonable discount from what new car side of the same dealer offered and was dismissed like I was low balling... he actually wanted more than the offer I had on a new van after all the incentives were included!!! I told him he needed to talk to his friends on the other side of the dealership and he responded that they didn't have any problem selling their used vans. I can only guess that there are some people so convinced that they must be getting it cheaper used they never find out what the new ones cost.
 
Human psychology can be a funny thing.

#4815 of 5511 Re: Chose the Odyssey over the Sienna [yatesjo] by jayrider

Apr 17, 2009 (1:06 pm)

Replying to: yatesjo (Apr 17, 2009 12:10 pm)
They stand to make more when a sap comes in with a trade in and gets reamed. You wanted a cash price -- bad for their bottom line.

#4816 of 5511 Re: Odyssey vs Sienna [speterson1] by skiiiii664

Apr 20, 2009 (8:33 pm)

Replying to: speterson1 (Apr 13, 2009 7:50 am)
speterson1,
 
I was sitting in an 09 Odyssey EXL tonight with the sales person and we were talking about the center console/tray.
In reference to the center console, I think Honday could create a hybrid of sorts where they could add some sort of top to the tray that either slid open or ilifted upward. If it was not too deep, it would still be able to fold. Granted, everything inside would slide around when it was folded down although it would really be nice to have that extra storage.
Also, they can get rid of the 4 cup holders on the center console tray at the same time.
I mean, how many drinks can you have at one time? There is one cup holder in each door, two that pull out of the dash and four on the center tray.
 
Anyhow, I am ranting now.
 
I will say that I put down a deposit today and I am picking up a dark red (more like burgandy) EXL tomorrow.
 
I picked it up for $ 27,250 + 599 dealer fee + sales tax.
 
I am pretty sure that I paid more for my 06.

#4817 of 5511 Re: Odyssey vs Sienna [skiiiii664] by thegraduate

Apr 20, 2009 (8:38 pm)

Replying to: skiiiii664 (Apr 20, 2009 8:33 pm)
Also, they can get rid of the 4 cup holders on the center console tray at the same time.
I mean, how many drinks can you have at one time? There is one cup holder in each door, two that pull out of the dash and four on the center tray.
 
Why get rid of them? Extra storage is always nice. My aunt keeps a bottle of lotion in one, her cell phone in another, and uses the two pull-out holders for actual drinks. She has an 05 EX and likes it a lot.

#4818 of 5511 Re: - [loncray] by ateixeira

Apr 21, 2009 (11:55 am)

Replying to: loncray (Apr 17, 2009 6:29 am)
I'd buy the "technology costs money" argument for the first couple of years, but VCM came out in, what, 2004? Half a decade later and it hasn't trickled down?
 
When you're comparing the base models, the Sienna CE/LE come out way ahead because you get the full 266hp plus better city mileage compared to the Ody LX.
 
Plus, don't all Pilot and Ridgeline models get VCM? Why go cheap on the base Ody models?

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