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#4746 of 5220 Re: Think again about buying an Odessey!! [ateixeira] by berri Feb 27, 2009 (6:03 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 27, 2009 10:06 am) My point is that Toyota and Honda seem more receptive to owning up to problems than D3. You don't continue to make good profits by screwing over your customers when you mess up. Just look at D3. Toyota and Honda have developed good quality cars and better customer responsiveness than Detroit. That's why they can sell cars for a higher profit margin. I'll bet that a lot of people complaining about Honda trannies had high mileage or didn't do the scheduled maintainance. But maintaining your car doesn't seem to matter when something goes unreasonably bad at D3. My belief is that things like engine gaskets and components, steering racks, trannies,etc. should last 100K if maintained, otherwise the car is either inferior in engineering or has cheap quality parts. If major unreasonable problems happen and the car is maintained, then the company should step up for at least part of the cost. I don't want to hear the excuse that stuff happens, because with modern day statistical QA this is no longer likely if the item was properly designed and produced by a quality vendor. That line may have been acceptable 10 years ago, but not today. And yes, Toyota learned a lesson about the power of the Internet, but D3 still needs to get up to date there. Maybe it will happen at Ford since they brought in an outsider to run it, but I'm not confident about the other two.   PS - its nice to have higher mileage cars that don't leak fluids on the garage floor as well! Replies to this message: ateixeira (Mar 02, 2009 12:08 pm) 1983gti (Mar 09, 2009 10:16 am) lavrishevo (Mar 09, 2009 1:58 pm) and 2 more...
#4747 of 5220 Re: Think again about buying an Odessey!! [berri] by ateixeira Mar 02, 2009 (12:08 pm)
Replying to: berri (Feb 27, 2009 6:03 pm) I hear you, I still daily-drive a 1993 Miata.   Ford has improved, and GM and Chrysler both have long warranties now. It's a shame they may not all survive long enough to change public perception about their new vehicles, though. Replies to this message: 1983gti (Mar 09, 2009 10:16 am) lavrishevo (Mar 09, 2009 1:58 pm) thegraduate (Mar 09, 2009 9:26 pm) hause7 (Mar 09, 2009 10:09 pm)
#4748 of 5220 Re: Think again about buying an Odessey!! [ateixeira] by 1983gti Mar 09, 2009 (10:16 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 02, 2009 12:08 pm) We bought a 2000 Honda Odyssey EX with 3K miles on it in June 2000 from a Honda Dealer. At the time, it was a total seller's market for the Odyssey, they were being built at only one factory as I recall, in Canada, in fairly small numbers and supply was tight. I pains me to say it but I think we paid almost sticker price for the thing, even with 3K on it already. We just had to have it, it was a HONDA after all, it was the hottest thing going in mini-vans at the time and the 2000 Sienna (1st generation) was . . . how do I put it . . . UGLY.   We have been generally disappointed by our 2000 Ody. We have had the transmission replaced twice: the first time at 86K miles (which Honda covered) and most recently last week at 130K miles (Honda put up 1K we paid the remaining $2,400). Each of the power sliding doors has been repaired AT LEAST four times. The engine mounts have all been replaced twice and the catalytic converter had to be replaced.   We are fed up with the transmission problems and are looking for another mini-van (NEW). I think the Sienna XLE FWD is the way to go, although I am confident that Honda has improved the Ody's quality since the 2000 model. I am interested in receiving any feedback you might have. Replies to this message: lavrishevo (Mar 09, 2009 1:58 pm) thegraduate (Mar 09, 2009 9:26 pm) hause7 (Mar 09, 2009 10:09 pm)
#4749 of 5220 by baveux Mar 09, 2009 (1:06 pm)
1983gti Tell me that you are not considering encouraging Honda again ??   if so I dont understand you guys, a manufacturer put you through all that and you are willing to give him your money again , well thats another mystery of life )   Go with Toyota they are not perfect either but they are more reliable
#4750 of 5220 Re: Think again about buying an Odessey!! [1983gti] by lavrishevo Mar 09, 2009 (1:58 pm)
Replying to: 1983gti (Mar 09, 2009 10:16 am) The new Hyundai and Kia are even more reliable and have higher customer reviews then the Ody. I purchased the new Sedona almost 3 years ago and have been very happy with it. No problems whatsoever and 100k warranty. Heck if your willing to buy very slightly used you can save 50% - 70% over the price of a new Ody or Toyota! Good luck Toyota and the Koreans are making the best van out there right now. As an example my brother picked up an 08 Sedona LX dealer exec never titled with 7,500 miles and 100k warranty for $12,500. Don't know how you can beat that! Replies to this message: thegraduate (Mar 09, 2009 9:26 pm) hause7 (Mar 09, 2009 10:09 pm)
#4751 of 5220 Re: Think again about buying an Odessey!! [lavrishevo] by thegraduate Mar 09, 2009 (9:26 pm)
Replying to: lavrishevo (Mar 09, 2009 1:58 pm) The Hyundai Entourage and Kia Sedona have the lowest possible reliability rating from Consumer Reports, "Well below Average."   What information do you have about the Sedona/Entourage that says they are more reliable than the Odyssey?
#4752 of 5220 Re: Think again about buying an Odessey!! [lavrishevo] by hause7 Mar 09, 2009 (10:09 pm)
Replying to: lavrishevo (Mar 09, 2009 1:58 pm) I too have the same question, where did you see the Kia/Hyundai vans were more reliable then the Odyssey. I have seen a newer Entourage on the side of the road, and the driver was not happy and had the hood up. Anyways I don't think they build the best vans, maybe the most value available because of price but I still would get a Honda or Toyota. We are on our 2nd Sienna and just love them. 0 problems. 95,000 miles on our 04 Limited AWD and already have 37,000 on our 07 XLE FWD.   I would still probably take a chance with the Korean vans over the Chrysler van's though.
#4753 of 5220 by lavrishevo Mar 10, 2009 (5:38 am)
I think you need to go pick up a new CR and see how many Kia / Hyundai models they recommend now with ratings well above average. But leaving CS out and I am speaking of just the minivan from 06 up after the redesign go over and look at the edmunds forum. Look at the problems people are having with them. Very minor stuff almost always covered under warranty. You can also tow up to 3,500 lbs with trailer brakes on the new Korean van. I am giving you my opinion about the vans quality and Edmunds user rating of the van is very high. I own one and am am very happy with it. Kia's are not dropping tranny's like no tomorrow, they have a timing chain with NO scheduled replacement interval, very good powerful 3.8 250/253 engine, many standard features such as esc, abs, tpms, de-icer all standard. I'm not going to argue and turn this into prove it blah blah blah. This again is my opinion and personal experience. We have two Honda's in the family, not the Ody, and both are good cars but have cost way to much $$$ for standard maintenance, both have had minor problems not covered under the standard warranty. The Koreans are trying very hard to gain market share right now and their quality has drasticly improved. Anyway, I hope my input helps. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Mar 10, 2009 7:41 am)
#4754 of 5220 Re: [lavrishevo] by ateixeira Mar 10, 2009 (7:41 am)
Replying to: lavrishevo (Mar 10, 2009 5:38 am) Other models are, but not the minivans. A critical difference.   The minivans score poorly in CR. I don't see how you can mention CR as a source when they recommend you avoid those vans.   I came close to buying a Kia Sedona, a bargain at under $20k for a base model, so I've followed the threads for those vans. Lots of complaints of excessive tire wear and alignment/vibration problems.   Many owners are perfectly happy, but there is definitely a pattern of suspension problems creating vibrations issues for people, even some that have tried 3 sets of tires.   Are you and I really reading the same threads? This is all right here on Edmunds, documented in more than one thread.
#4755 of 5220 2nd Source...True Delta by ateixeira Mar 10, 2009 (7:46 am)
I like this guy because he gets the VIN and collects regular updates from owners, so the data comes out much sooner than CR or anyone else.   Any how, the Entourage scores middle-of-the-road at best, the 2007 model has more than twice as many problems as the same year Ody or same year Toyota.   Sienna is consistently excellent.   Ody has done well lately, but older models score below the Entourage, pre-2004 transmission upgrade mostly.   http://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability.php   (you have to register, but it's free and a good source of info)

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