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#41 of 5231 RE: HOST by raydahs Sep 21, 2004 (8:56 pm)
"Someone is blowing smoke". Umm...The question was "I wonder if Honda had this (CR-V thing) figured out before the new Ody design was finalized?" The question was answered, apparently not "Honda engineers 'as puzzled as anyone' by recent CR-V fires". It wasn't an attempt to stir it up, mearly an attempt to answer the the question with factual data (no they don't have it figured out!). Most of us realize it's comparing Apples to Oranges and should have been asked in the Accord forum where the same engine is used!
#42 of 5231 by steve_ HOST Sep 22, 2004 (6:50 am)
Let's hope that no Odyssey's ignite in a month or two after they get their first oil change. Parts is parts, but I wouldn't be surprised if the CR-V team is on a whole different continent than the Odyssey design/engineering people. It seems a bit of a stretch to try to taint Ody's with CR-V woes (and those woes appear tiny as a percentage of '03/'04's CR-Vs sold).   Steve, Host
#43 of 5231 by stickguy Sep 22, 2004 (7:04 am)
It doesn't appear that the packaging on the Ody engine is any different than last year (that is, the oil filter and hot parts haven't been rearranged). So, if the current models having been combusting, I don't think the '05s are likely to either.
#44 of 5231 by anonymousposts Sep 22, 2004 (3:13 pm)
"You don't think the factory-to-dealer incentive and cheap lease on the '04 Ody hurt resale values?"   If the cheap lease deal has hurt the Odyssey then www.kbb.com did not get the memo. They are saying my 2004 Odyssey EX-RES with 5,000 miles is still worth $25,900 to a dealer. I know these figures can be inflated but www.carmax.com has a van identical to mine that they are selling for $25,998 with 5,000 more miles and no DVD system. My cap cost on the lease was $26,xxx. Replies to this message: heywood1 (Sep 22, 2004 6:33 pm)
#45 of 5231 by stickguy Sep 22, 2004 (4:37 pm)
There were so many Odys sold at or near MSRP that, IMO, the relatively few sold recently at big discounts really won't affect future values. Remember, very soon there won't be any more '04s, so all the used ones will be on a level playing field (competing with the '05s), and what each person paid will be pretty much irrelevant.   In this case (but not every case), people who scapped up an '04 for 3k+ off MSRP can end up with very little s/t depreciation.
#46 of 5231 Re: memo[anonymousposts] by heywood1 Sep 22, 2004 (6:33 pm)
Replying to: anonymousposts (Sep 22, 2004 3:13 pm) There is no way on God's green earth that any car dealer would give you $25,900 in trade for a 2004 old-style Ody EX-RES--even against an '05 with inflated MSRP+ADM. With current incentives, Carsdirect's target price for a brand new '04 EX-RES is $25,900. So why would any dealer give you that much in trade for one now with 5,000 miles on it? Dream on.
#47 of 5231 Re: engine fires [raydahs] by ggs Sep 22, 2004 (6:42 pm)
Replying to: raydahs (Sep 21, 2004 7:37 pm) The Odyssey and CRV are based on two different platforms. There should be no reason to assume the two are related.
#48 of 5231 Re: post #37 by raydahs Sep 22, 2004 (7:36 pm)
OK..........last time! My response was to the posters question related to the CR-V!   They said "if whatever is causing the CR-V engine fires could also cause the new Ody to catch fire". (Key question) "I wonder if Honda had this figured out before the new Ody design was finalized". As the dated link (Posted Date: 9/21/04) states "Honda engineers 'as puzzled as anyone' by recent CR-V fires".   The Odyssey was supposed to be released on 9/22, the design was probably finalized months ago. So therefore the answer to the question is………….NO, they didn’t have it figured out before the design was finalized!   I'm well aware of Honda’s platforms; see the last sentence in post #41. I can't believe how blown out of proportion this link has become, in the future I'll be more careful not to say anything that could be misconstrued........done, end of explanation, see ya! Replies to this message: ggs (Sep 23, 2004 10:12 am)
#49 of 5231 We Finally Decided - 2005 Odyssey It Is. by tcsubwoofer Sep 22, 2004 (8:38 pm)
I've spent countless hours and months reading anonymously through Edmunds to determine if we would buy a Sienna, Odyssey, or Quest. My wife and I have been driving our 2 kids (3 years old and 9 months) around in a 2003 Jetta Wagon TDI with a huge Thule topper and things are just TIGHT. I've been completely transformed into a minivan advocate and will not consider an SUV again in the near future. Minivans are just too practical and accommodating.   After much, much anticipation of the 2005 Odyssey, I have been to a Honda dealership 3 times since last Saturday and test drove an EXL with RES tonight. We then went back to the Toyota Dealership and drove the Sienna XLE. I've been to Nissan, Toyota, and Odyssey dealerships on at least 3 occasions (5 for Nissan).   My impressions of each vehicle are:   Chrysler Town & Country: Lots of useful storage. We sat in the top of the line $37,000 van and I was so unimpressed with the interior styling - leather looked really cheap and controls looked dated - that I choose not to test drive. This was a complete personal preference. I was trying to like it since my grandparents just bought one and love it.   Nissan Quest: Tons of fun, poor reliability. Last time I looked at a Nissan the steering column cover was wobbling and this affirmed my perception of questionable quality. However, I love the sunroofs, dash, and styling. If I was more comfortable with Nissan Quality and resale value - this might have been at the top of my list. Man, does that full length skylight ROCK. Why can't Odyssey copy this?   Honda Odyssey - Practical and Sporty, a tad low on luxury. I still feel that the Sienna takes the cake on Luxury, but the new 05 Odyssey is oh so close. The Odyssey feels smaller for some reason than the Sienna. I think it has less internal volume and the side and rear windows are proportioned differently which causes the impression of a more cramped minivan. Engine is more responsive and seemingly powerful than Sienna. The ease of use of the rear fold down seats is phenomenal and better than the Sienna. Once you start the motion of the flip down, the seat folds down on its own under gravity and spring tension. Super easy.   Toyota Sienna - luxury and soft ride, lacking in power. A few more standard features (compass, power rear, etc). Sick of over pricing of features. Many Toyota dealerships can't say anything when I show them the ~$32,410 price for EXL with DVD Res (2005). The competition between the Sienna and Odyssey is now hairsplitting. I can't seem to have anybody even offer me a Sienna XLE for the price of the Odyssey with DVD Res. I tried, I emailed 8 or 9 dealerships in Colorado a few days ago.   Trying to have fun is at least half my money. Therefore, we decided to go with Nighthawk Black Pearl with Ivory interior on an EXL with DVDRes. I think the Black Odyssey will have a bit of "attitude" with the tinted windows and chrome wheels. This is FUN! We went in to place a deposit on a Sage Brush Pearl Odyssey with Ivory seats, but that was placed on hold earlier in the day. At first we were disappointed, but a Nighthawk Black Pearl Honda Pilot was on the showroom floor and my wife was completely impressed with the color. The black has a blue hue under certain light which is a nice effect.   After test driving the Sienna within 1 hour of the Odyssey, my wife jumped out and looked at me with a big smile and said the Sienna was no longer in the running. As a matter of fact, she said she would not buy the Sienna unless it sold for LESS than the new Odyssey. Hence, we have a $500 deposit holding our new Odyssey to be built at the end of the month and delivered by the end of October. All the Odysseys on the lot at John Elway Honda in Denver, CO were sold. I think 3 hondas coming in had deposits. They were only getting about 10 to 15 hondas over the next 3 months and I snatched up one of them.   I can go into many other details, but I'm glad the search is over. All minivans offer great features. I can't look down on any person for choosing an Odyssey, Sienna, or Quest because I still like features on all those models. But for me, the new Odyssey styling, performance, and features pushed us into the Honda camp. In my mind, there is more to get on this vehicle than all others. I can't wait for the new van, if anything to help our cramped lifestyle!
#50 of 5231 2005 ody on honda website by gatorhawk Sep 22, 2004 (9:24 pm)
official info finally on the honda website.

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