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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
#3726 of 5511 Seeking Words of Wisdom - Let it Be
Nov 22, 2006 (7:31 pm)
I'm a regular poster on the Honda Accord 2003-current forum. Trying to unload my wife's Piece-O-(you know what) 2002 Chevy Venture and replace it with either a 2006 Sienna LE or a 2007 Odyssey EX.
I've read the last ten pages or so of posts but was wondering what, if anything I should be aware of about frequent issues with either car. I'm somewhat familiar with the engine sludge issue in the earlier Siennas and the Power Door issue on the previous generation Odyssey. I also have a sister who bought an '05 Touring and had so many problems with her doors that Honda gave her a new car and permitted her to substitute a Pilot so she could get out of her Odyssey.
Personally, I'm inclinded towards the Odyssey. I've always liked Honda (though my '04 Accord ain't nearly as good as my '91 Accord EX was) and both the wife and I liked the driving experience better in the Odyssey. However, Toyota was offering 0% financing and that's a pretty big incentive.
So what say y'all? Any words of wisdom for me?
#3727 of 5511 Re: Seeking Words of Wisdom - Let it Be [hondalova]
Nov 22, 2006 (7:40 pm)
Well, the Odyssey will be the sportier ride, and the Sienna the more luxurious one.
The Odyssey should've outgrown a lot of its teething problems since your sister's 05. My aunt had some similar issues with her 2005 (Airbag recall, misaligned rear bumper from factory), but it has been complettely reliable.
#3728 of 5511 Re: Seeking Words of Wisdom - Let it Be [hondalova]
Nov 23, 2006 (7:20 am)
hondalova - I owned a 2005 Sienna XLE Limited AWD that I got rid of to get a 2006 Odyssey Touring with Nav and DVD. Both are great vehicles. I had NO problems with the Toyota but it wasn't as roomy and powerful as my wife would have liked.
The Honda is definitely the sportier of two and handles far better than the Toyota. I know that people have said the Sienna is more luxurious but I disagree. It does have a smoother ride and more play in the steering which reminds me of a big Buick or a Caddy. The Honda has a great interior with less shiny trim pieces to create a glare inside the cabin. My Honda has more options and accessories than the Toyota and even our three kids comment how much nicer the van is.
In the end, only you can choose as you and your wife know what's important to you and your family. I love both Toyota's and Honda's. They both have their share of issues as neither one is perfect. In the end, I think the Honda is built better with tighter seams, peppier engine, more interior space and handles much safer than the Toyo.
The decision is yours and you will get about 130 different opinions on this forum as that is about how many members this thread has
Best of luck with your decision and have a great Holiday!
#3729 of 5511 Re: Seeking Words of Wisdom - Let it Be [cableguy06]
Nov 24, 2006 (7:47 am)
The only thing I don't like about the Odyssey is that you can't get a 2nd row "bench" like on the Sienna, with 3 equally sized seats. The Odyssey has that tiny middle seat, but you can't put a car seat on it. With the Sienna, I can put a carseat in the middle, and still have room on either side. Or put 3 car seats across if I want to keep the 3rd row down for more cargo. I just like having this option.
On the other hand, I do like the interior dash layout and look of the Odyssey.
#3730 of 5511 One thing for sure
Nov 24, 2006 (11:12 am)
Going from a Venture to either van you will think you've died and gone to heaven! You're not going to go far wrong either way. I lean to the Ody but you won't go wrong at all with a Sienna. I do think the observation about the dash on the Ody vs. Sienna is very valid.
Not to confuse matters or suggest widening your field, but we test drove a Hyundai Entourage and were just stunned. These folks have been doing their homework!
#3731 of 5511 Re: no 3.5l [caravan2]
Nov 24, 2006 (1:33 pm)
These are 2006 specs NOT for 2007..
You are correct. I did not even think to look to see if the specs listed in November would be for the last model year.
When was the last time that happened?
I guess that Toyota does not want to get stuck with a large quantity of worthless 2006 Siennas so they are drawing down their inventory before even advertising the 2007 model. Obviously the biggest change was in the HP, even though all of the Toyota lovers said the 3.3L 215 HP was good enough. Apparently parent Toyota saw the writing on the wall. I must question what the 2007s will do for the resale value of the 2006 and earlier? Ouch!
#3732 of 5511 Re: One thing for sure [fezo]
Nov 24, 2006 (5:34 pm)
Thanks to all for your responses. I agree with fezo about the Hyundai Entourage/Kia Sedona twins - saw 'em at the NY Auto Show in April and was similarly wowed even without a test drive. However, it bothers me to buy Korean cars when they impose such high tariffs on our own exports. If it was at least a level playing field, the automakers could more fairly compete with each other.
Moreover, after a 2002 Chevy Venture with 90k miles that has popped intake manifold gaskets at 38k, 68k, and (any day now?) as well as a front wheel bearing pack, an A/C condenser, 4 sets of brakes (2 in front and 2 in back), both sliding-door electronic junction contact patches (causing what I affectionately call the "Chevy Christmas Lights Show"), as well as a persistent but intermittent self-honking horn (that has made our dealer as nuts as it has made us) - reliability is, well, an ISSUE. I'm just not sure that the Kia/Hyundai twins will prove as reliable as a Honda or a Toyota, although I could always get a lemon from the boys who brought us Pearl Harbor, even with the best of reputations.
I've owned two Toyotas and two Hondas in my life and all have been fairly good cars. My '91 Accord EX Sedan was virtually unstoppable and I should've never sold it (at 130k with the original clutch, battery, wires, & back brakes still in it). My '04 Accord EX V-6 Coupe is good, but it ain't as good as the '91 and it has lots more rattles and loose stuff in it.
Anyway - it looks like we're headed to Honda Odyssey land for an EX in the next 2 weeks or so.
Thanks again for all the help!
#3733 of 5511 Re: One thing for sure [hondalova]
Nov 25, 2006 (7:19 am)
I, too, looked at the Hyundai / Kia twins and there is no doubt they have done their homework as the vans are beautiful and well thought out. But with that said, I have to agree with you that, for today, there is nothing that will beat a Honda Odyssey or a Toyota Sienna for quality and reliability.
Great choice on the Ody my friend. I hope you enjoy yours as much as we do our 2006 Touring
#3734 of 5511 Good choice
Nov 25, 2006 (6:29 pm)
With you on several points - deciding to go with the Ody, wanting a more level playing field with the Koreans and the noticing of a drop in overall quality on Accords.
On the last item, my 00 Accord is fine. It's a great car and at 120K still has the original battery, clutch, wires, exhaust.... (I did go through brakes), but my 85 and 80 were even more amazing overall. Smoother shifters and just a nicer feel to them. Still can't complain. The 80 eventually rusted out at 167K. The 85 got T-boned with me in it. Neither of us were quite the same afterward.... but at least unlike the car I wasn't totaled!
#3735 of 5511 Odyssey vs. Sienna
Nov 25, 2006 (7:08 pm)
I drove both today. They're both nice vehicles. The Sienna seemed may be just a bit wider but I thought I had a ton more head and leg room in the Honda. I'd say the Toyota was just a hair quieter on the open road particularly in the back seats. The finish of the Toyota was just a little more polished however the ergonomic layout of the controls was far superior in the Honda. I got to give Honda the edge on acceleration and low engine noise. That 3.5 engine rocks. My parents have a 3.5 Buick van and it's real dog in comparison.
I really liked the safety feature in both. I have three young children and crash test data from the Insurance Institute for Highways Safety was my first screen tool. I ruled out Kia and Hyundai due to no long term reliability studies and focused on the Honda, Toyota, and Dodge. At high highway speeds, I thought the Honda felt the most stable when swerving.
We bought a Honda EX at the end of the day. The Toyota was just bit cheaper, but didn't have dual sliding doors and dual climate control and we just felt the Honda was just the superior vehicle for the money.