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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
#3196 of 5511 Re: Anyone know when the next Sienna re-design is anticipated? [jsb16]
Dec 16, 2005 (11:04 am)
Sienna is based on Camry Platform. New camry is coming in mid 2006. The current sienna came out in Mar 2003 as 2004 model. You can expect a redesign as early as Mid 2007 as 2008 model.
Also toyota is due for major changes for most of their vehicles. They are coming with new dashboard material as in 4 Runner, Rav4, Avalon. New Tundra and Sequoia is due by the end of 2006. Highlander is also due in a year or so.
Next generation toyotas will have side airbags as standard on all vehicles with VSC, TC and 4 Wheel Disc Brakes with EBD as standard also. In-glass antenna, more ergonomic interior component placement is due on toyota in many of their vehicles.
Thats my 2 cents.
#3197 of 5511 Re: Anyone know when the next Sienna re-design is anticipated? [asif1]
Dec 17, 2005 (10:26 pm)
Since the new RAV4 is out with the 3.5 liter V6 engine, it seems logical that Toyota will bring that engine to Sienna as well. Even Camry I believe is moving to that new engine. If that does happen, are we then looking at a mid-cycle engine upgrade for Sienna ? Just wondering.
#3198 of 5511 JD Powers Quality Reports - Sienna vs Oddy
Dec 18, 2005 (7:07 pm)
Unless I'm missing it, I don't see any discussion on this forum about the JD Powers quality reports on these two minivans. From what little I've read (mostly mentioned on the Sienna forum), the Oddy's scores for 2005 are notably worse than the Sienna on several categories (e.g., accessories, . Are there any experts here who would like to weigh in on their thoughts on those quality reports - should they sway me or not?
PS - I know about the Oddy's transmission issues and the Sienna's sludge issues, but I don't think that's what's driving the differentials in scores.
Dec 18, 2005 (9:54 pm)
Consumer reports also has the Sienna as being more reliable than the Odyssey. In fact the Sienna is the only minivan that they rate as being above average - the Honda is down to average. Partly because the Sienna has been out a year longer. Nevertheless that was a factor in my purchase of the Sienna.
#3200 of 5511 Re: Anyone know when the next Sienna re-design is anticipated? [asif1]
Dec 19, 2005 (12:20 pm)
Hybrid Sienna will be offered as well.
Dec 19, 2005 (2:15 pm)
The difference between the 2005 Odyssey and 2005 Sienna, based on Consumer Reports numbers, amounts to about 1 more problem on the Odyssey over 5 years or 2 more problems over 8 years.
Most models are pretty reliable today. The only possible exceptions are vehicles given a "Much Worse than Average" full-black circle, which has no lower bound. Excluding those models, I wouldn't use reliability as a major criteria for determining which vehicle to buy.
Dec 19, 2005 (2:57 pm)
Which CR are you getting that data from. The latest data is from the new car preview issue, and Honda dropped a tad more.
Also - if that 1 problem is your transmission leaving you stranded then it is a major issue. If it is a loose piece of trim - no big deal.
Yes all vehicles are more reliable now - good for everybody. There are still some horrible ones though - Quest.
#3203 of 5511 Re: - [dudleyr] Toy/Honda
Dec 19, 2005 (7:28 pm)
It is this loyal Ody owners opinion that the JD Powers results are useless and CR isn't far behind. The reason I feel this way is somewhat of a stereotype. Except for a few outgoing people here (hansienna for one), Toyota owners seem to be more shy in reporting problems, think type-B personalities. Perhaps that since it is a Toyota meaning stellar quality, it must be my mistake and that the sludge build up is my fault for not changing the oil more frequently. The flaws (common to both) are less pronounced or not as important for Sienna owners, comprimise is part of life. Yes, I'm taking this to extremes to prove a point; Toyota owners may be too shy to admit to themselves and the world there was a problem with their golden chariot. I would feel the same way if the results were reversed. Honda owners (me included) whine and worry about every little thing and let the whole world in on it, good or bad, thnk type A.
Bottom line is both are great vehicles, the finest practical hauler out there today.
Your happiness may vary, flattery not included.
#3204 of 5511 Re: - [dudleyr] Toy/Honda [davant]
Dec 20, 2005 (4:05 am)
"Honda owners (me included) whine and worry about every little thing and let the whole world in on it, good or bad, thnk type A."
Your likely correct. I am definitely Type A and I like to drive energetically and the Ody is the minivan that suits my personality best. If I were different, e.g. laid back type, I believe that any other minivan like a Sienna would suit me fine.
I believe that the same may be true of most other Ody owners.
Dec 20, 2005 (6:25 am)
I own two Hondas so I am also a Honda owner.
This seems like the exact argument that the Nissan and Mazda people (and the domestics) use against Honda.
If Honda owners report more problems, then how come the Accord, Civic and CRV are at the top of the heap?
Not trying to pick a fight as the Honda minivan has some advantages over the Sienna(better seating for one), but I don't think reliability is one of them.