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#3148 of 5511 Odyssey is a big disappointment
Nov 07, 2005 (5:45 pm)
I struggled for a long time between the Sienna and Odyssey. As a two-time Toyota owner, I was comfortable with the Sienna, but found that the Odyssey was more sporty and masculine. I really didn't want another minivan, but I didn't want a gas guzzling SUV either. I chose the Odyssey Touring with NAV & RES - XM radio was the deciding factor (Toyota doesn't offer satellite radio on the Sienna). After three weeks with the Odyssey, I am extremely disappointed. I think that the media gives Honda a pass for using cheap materials and user-unfriendly designs. For example, in order to move the roof rack crossbars (that cost 3 times as much as the ones for our Pacifica), you need to use a Torx driver. Almost all the surfaces that the driver touches on the doors and dash are hard, cheap-looking plastic. The upper glove box pops open all the time when closing the lower glove box. There's no place to put coins for toll roads. The driver's visor is an inch or two from the driver's face when positioned to the side. The ride is rough over uneven surfaces. The seats are unsupportive and there is no power passenger's seat. The gas mileage is poor and is worse than the mileage I got in our old 1998 Oldsmobile minivan. I had to get Michelin's run-flat tires in order to get the other features that only come on the Touring model. I could go on and on about minor irritations, but I'll sum it up by saying that I've never been so disappointed with any other new car that I've purchased.
On the good side, the stereo sounds great and the DVD player is very nice. The Odyssey looks better than other minivans on the outside. The engine compartment is the most organized I've seen on any vehicle.
I wasn't happy with any of the choices when I bought the Odyssey, but I thought it was the best compromise. After three weeks, I wish that I had bought the Sienna, even though it's not as attractive and doesn't come with satellite radio. By every measure our 2006 Odyssey is a better minivan than the 1998 Olds Silhouette that it replaced, yet I'd have to say that the Olds never disappointed me the way that the Odyssey has. I don't think I'll buy another Honda in the future.
#3149 of 5511 Re: Sienna or Odyssey [davant]
Nov 07, 2005 (5:53 pm)
The Odyssey has some nice features that the Sienna doesn't have, but the Sienna has a lot of nice features that Odyssey doesn't have:
- power vent windows
- front console
- 10 speaker stereo with surround
- roof cross bars included ($285 extra for Odyssey)
- windshield wiper de-icer
- stereo jack for Ipods & CD player plays MP3s
You get the idea. You may have to give up some nice features either way. The Sienna has a much smoother ride than the Odyssey, but the Odyssey is sportier looking and feeling.
I bought into some of the reviews that talked up the Odyssey without pointing out any of it's faults. The articles said that it rides like a premium sedan - no way. It's nice on smooth pavement, but hit some expansion joints or potholes and it's a violent ride. Enough that the wireless headphones kept falling off my kid's heads.
Nov 07, 2005 (7:50 pm)
Don't forget the trip computer that is readily available on Sienna, but only on top of the line Odyssey. Biggest plus for me with the Odyssey is the 7+1 seating. Cake and eat it too vs Toyotas one or the other.
Speaking of crossbars. How easy are they to take off of a Sienna. I have some nice Thule cross bars that I use for serious rooftop duty (Canoe etc) that are stronger and more stable than the factory bars. Right now I keep the factory bars on (along with the Thule) and install the other bars for carrying things. Are the bars on the Sienna easily removable. Would be nice for wind noise and gas mileage (slightly).
#3151 of 5511 Re: 05ody [fljoslin]
Nov 08, 2005 (4:43 am)
I know! looking down at the gagues and seeing 260KM/H makes you feel like your just in a car! and its weird when I let my mother drive it, and she says the same thing!
#3152 of 5511 Re: Odyssey is a big disappointment [gopurdue]
Nov 08, 2005 (8:28 am)
We purchased an Odyssey after extensive comparisons of an EX with an 8-passenger Sienna LE. I actually had a Sienna LE8 on order but ended up purchasing an Odyssey EX-L after a long series of events. If the 8th seat hadn't been important, I almost certainly would have opted for a higher trim level Sienna. Overall, I am very impressed with the Odyssey and have few minor complaints. The fit of that upper glove box being the largest one.
I did find the Odyssey to have many of the same shortcomings at the lower trim level. While the ride was acceptable in terms of being smooth and quiet, the Sienna was somewhat better. I also liked the Sienna interior a bit better, though I think the Odyssey's is quite nice relative to many other vehicles on the market. On the flip side, I think the Odyssey seats are very comfortable and our gas milaage has been well above expectations so far on two tanks of suburban driving. The tradeoff for the Sienna's quiet and smooth ride is clearly the road feel and handling in the Odyssey, so it's personal preference as to which you value more. Both are very good vans. For many, the choice may well come down to which gizmos you value and what sort of things disappoint you. I was coming from a 2001 Odyssey, and the 2006 model is an upgrade in almost every regard so far.
#3153 of 5511 Re: Odyssey (vs. Toyota Comparison) is a big disappointment [gopurdue]
Nov 08, 2005 (9:17 pm)
Apparently this forum is where Toyota lovers come to express their negative feelings toward Hondas, LOL. I wrestled with some of these same good points and issues mentioned between the replied post and this one. The one that did it in for me was having to go to row 2 in order to change the DVD. No, there's one more... the Sienna is stepsister ugly IMHO. Both have flaws, both have pluses, surely we all have the right to differ in our opinions of what they are. I can stand the sacrifice of a stiffer ride as I don't do too much off road'Odying in our Touring. This trade-off for better cornering and PAX (Toyota has it too) was worthwhile.
Having said all that, there is probably a forum that is the inverse of this one and there are likely Toyota loyalists wishing they bought an Odyssey instead of a Sienna, I think they call that buyers remorse/sour grapes.
#3154 of 5511 Re: Odyssey (vs. Toyota Comparison) is a big disappointment [davant]
Nov 09, 2005 (7:05 am)
"This trade-off for better cornering and PAX (Toyota has it too) was worthwhile. "
A very minor quibble on my part but......Toyota does NOT equip any of it's vehicles with PAX tires.
#3155 of 5511 Buying experience in my area
Nov 09, 2005 (7:37 am)
One advantage Toyota over Honda is,
There is no so called "internet price" for Honda as offered by many Toyota dealerships in my area (DC area). This is just another option in buying vehicle. I didn't notice anything like this offered by Honda.
Both Toyota and Honda have wonderful vehicles that I like to keep, and it could not be wrong if you choose either based on their reliability history.
#3156 of 5511 Re: Odyssey is a big disappointment [gopurdue]
Nov 09, 2005 (8:29 am)
I agree. I was toyota owner for 4 yrs and this is my first Honda (odyssey). I struggled a lot between Sienna and Ody and went for ody for its sporty look and ride. So far i am disappointed with interior quality and gas mileage. I have 2006 EX and i am getting any where b/w 16-18 mpg with 80% highway in my first tank fill up. I hope it gets better as the engine breaks-in. I traded-in my 05 Seq for 06 Ody mainly due to gas price and 14-15 mpg on my seq. But i am not getting much difference in mileage.
I have 400 miles on ody so far, and there are some rattles inside. The map/glove compartment has a loose fit and does not match when closed in. I guess it will start openning on its own soon. The plastic is cheap looking. The seats are not as comfy as toyota. No Trip computer. The door handle is tight and pry on the opposite side. I guess they want us to use left hand to open the door instead of right. Does not make sense for why they did that. Also the way the 3rd row seat recline and folds back is not very durable. I doubt that pull strap will last.
on Plus side, the handling is responsive, overall looks are better than sienna.
The deciding factor me was that sienna/camry is towards it end of cycle for this shape. There will be new camry next yr which will be more like avalon and since sienna is based on camry platform, it will change in 2008 (as early as late 2007).
Above all i wanted to give honda a shot as this is my first one. I am not sure if i will do that again. It is not being a toyota lover and whining on this forum. I have spent 26 k in a vehicle and i want to be satisfied.
#3157 of 5511 Re: Odyssey is a big disappointment [asif1]
Nov 09, 2005 (9:20 am)
Fuel economy varies widely from person to person, season to season and region to region. You'll see a lot of complaints on both Odyssey and Sienna forums that owners are getting well below EPA mileage estimates. On the other hand, in addition to the EPA, 4 other agencies that did comparable tests among minivans rated the Odyssey VCM models as being equal to or better than the Sienna, including Natural Resources Canada, Consumer Reports, MotorWeek and MotorTrend.
We've gotten 21 mpg on our first two tanks in predominantly suburban driving around town. I can't compare to Sienna, but it is 2-3mpg higher than our 2001 Odyssey in the same conditions. The EPA estimate for the 2006 also happens to be 2mpg higher than the 2001, so the relative economy seems to be reasonable. As they say, YMMV.