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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
Jul 26, 2005 (11:55 am)
Our 2001 Odyssey is 215hp on premium, if I recall correctly, 210 on regular. Of course, it's low end torque vs. weight that is important for off-the-line acceleration. I can't remember the torque figures of our 2001, though I'm sure they are lower than the current Odyssey and Sienna, too. In any case, our 2001 has plenty of power for acceleration from a stop, passing and anything else, with A/C or not.
Yeah, the extra power/torque is nice and it's great for bragging rights, but if compromises are made, I'd rather have 199 hp and an extra mpg or two. Especially in the case of a family hauler.
I saw the 8-passenger Sienna LE today. Very nice. I like the folding tray table and black interior trim that you can't get in the XLE. The second row seats are just fine for average adults. Very comfortable. The front and center second seat is neat, but I suspect we'd use it about as often as the magic indexing second row seat on our Odyssey. The nicest thing is the ability to have 3 kids or adults comfortably in the second row and have all the cargo space in back. Plus, you can tumble the 2nd row seats forward for even more cargo space and not have to bother removing and storing the chairs. I also liked the feel of just about every interior button, switch, lever and strap in the Toyota. Not that the Honda was bad, but the Toyota seemed a step above in interior quality overall.
I do wonder why Toyota insisted on having a plastic trim cover the underside of the third row seat. It's handy to be able to store long objects under there with the 3rd row seat up in our 2001 Odyssey. The plastic is necessary around the legs and frame, but why block the rest of the area? I guess you could cut it yourself...
I also liked the wireless-ready rear seat audio system Toyota includes on Package #5. I'm not considering a DVD system, but just having dual-zone audio would be a nice touch.
I need to compare the driver position side-by-side sometime in the next month or two. The Sienna seemed to be notably higher than the Odyssey, but it's hard to say for sure not seeing them together.
#2680 of 5511 Re: 2005 Odyssey performance on the Autobahn? [macakava]
Jul 26, 2005 (11:59 am)
I understand the definition of analogy, thanks so much. But telling someone who is cruising this site for thoughts on these two fine minivans, and then mentioning to them that the Odyssey is analogous to a BMW while the Sienna is similar to a Lexus is misleading at best, but mostly it is nonsensical. I've driven both, and own the Sienna. I found the Odyssey a very good van, but I never found it sporty or BMW like. I did not find it to be more BMW like then the Sienna, whatever that means. I found it to be a minivan, and a good one at that, just like the Sienna. I know what C&D have mentioned, as a subscribe to several. Doesn't mean they are right, or that I agree with all of their conclusions. Autoweek recently tested the Odyssey vs the Ford Freestyle, and judged the Ford to be the sportier of the two in terms of driving dnamics (the Odyssey won overall, but surprisngly not by much), so does that make the Freestyle even more like a BMW? Or is this a pointless analogy?
Now to be fair, I didn't take either van on a slalom course to see which behaved better, or who did better in the 1/4 mile. I did not do a hot lap around Watkins Glen, although that would have been amusing. And guess what - no one else here on this board with the exception of you perhaps, will be doing that either. What I did do, was compare van features, like the fold away seats, how my child seats fit, and how a stroller and groceries will all fit into the back, while seating 7 people. Typical issues when shopping for a 3 series, right?
Comparing the Sienna to a Lexus is an understandable analogy, since Toyota owns Lexus, and a sharing between the two is likely. But the Odyssey and say a BMW 3 series share nothing (obviously since they are two different manufacturers, but their designs and philosophies are completety different). If you want to continue going on about how the Odyssey is sportier than the Sienna and is similar to a BMW, fine, that's your right, but I will continue giving my opinion too, and that is that minivans are not sport enthusiast vehicles, and are not intended to be, capiche?
#2681 of 5511 Re: Better engine in the Toyota family? [macakava]
Jul 26, 2005 (1:23 pm)
Maybe we can dream further about the DGC having the 425 hp 6.2 L V8 engine as an option. SRT as someone mentioned. Again only for Dae and I.
The Hemi would be SWEET!! Get me one too!!!! They can call it the DGC SRT8 Family racing vehicle!
#2682 of 5511 Re: 2005 Odyssey performance on the Autobahn? [irg]
Jul 26, 2005 (1:37 pm)
Thank you very much! I agree w/ you. I do understand the comparison of the Sienna to Lexus, being basically the same family. I was pretty confused about the comparisons, especially since I know nothing about engines. As I stated before, I came on here to ask questions from the owners of these vans, to get real opinions. Buying a vehicle, especially when it is more than $30,000, is a very big deal to me, and it is important to do the research before hand.
For example, if I did not get on this board before going back to Honda, I would have bought the Odyssey Touring, not knowing the PAX tires are not available for them in Germany (this has been confirmed). So I would of moved over there and been stuck after a puncture. I also came on this board to ask which vehicle may perform better on the autobahn, doing around 95mph for 5 years. Haven't really got a straight forward answer, but what do you expect? This is America and we have speed limits, so I understand that people may not have the answer to that question.
So I remain torn between the Ody and the Sienna. The Sienna XLE at least has fog lights, which I would really need in Germany. And I think the power tailgate would be useful, Ody doesn't have those features on the EX-L. Plus, the '06 Sienna is supposed to add puddle lighting, 2 new colors, new wheels, new front end and tail lights, POWER 3rd row seat (Hello!), new optitron gauges, and turning signals in the mirrors. There just seems to be so much more on the XLE alone than the EX-L, but we really like Hondas because of their resale values and dependability (we have had about 15 Hondas in my family alone). I also do not like the exterior of the Sienna. I am only in my mid twenties and I love the sportier look of the Ody. They just screwed up making those dang PAX tires standard on the Touring. Not everyone wants the tires, but we want the other features.
So being that I have learned so much from this board, I will not let someone's misguiding views lead me not to come on here. We do all have our own opinions anyway. Hopefully I will have my mind made up when my husband returns from Iraq in Oct. (I pray for his safe return), then we will get whatever, prepare for our move back to Germany, and be happy. But until then, I for one will continue seeking these boards for advice. Thank you all!
#2683 of 5511 Re: Sienna more responsive than the Ody [kjo]
Jul 26, 2005 (4:08 pm)
Agree with you based on a test drive of a 2004 Sienna LE and a 2005 Ody EX. The Sienna was just more responsive. Was it because the Sienna weighs less, the Sienna transmission quicker responding, or is it because the Sienna torque is available at a MUCH LOWER engine RPM?
Based on driving each, maybe the difference between the performance of the Sienna and Ody depends on the individual vehicle of each.
#2684 of 5511 Re: 2005 Odyssey performance on the Autobahn? [irg]
Jul 26, 2005 (4:45 pm)
Great post. I've been following these comparisons for some time. I was tempted to challenge some van owners to a race (just to show how ridiculous some postings have been). However, I was afraid some would take it seriously. Let's all race our vehicles to ball park. It's like some are trying to justify their choosing one van over an another (they are both excellent choices). This is a van people. Pick the one that best suits your needs or desires and drive on "with caution".
#2686 of 5511 Re: 2005 Odyssey performance on the Autobahn? [irg]
Jul 26, 2005 (5:16 pm)
"I understand the definition of analogy, thanks so much."
Not TOO SURE! Since by your response, it is not obvious that you do. Maybe it would be a waste of time to continue to illustrate...
In the minivan category, the Ody is called(i.e. nickname/alias) the "BMW"(By Edmunds.com - this same forum source) of this segment because of its better dynamics and handling characteristics.
The Sienna is called the "Lexus" of this segment because of its quietness and luxury amenities, etc.
FYI, The Freestyle is NOT a minivan, but a Crossover - it does not know what it wants to be, pretending to be a half breed SUV/minivan. The Freestar is the minivan which scored dead last in the 5 minivan comparo of June 2004 C &D. Ford and GM have given up on minivans as shown by the poor execution of their models.
"If you want to continue going on about how the Odyssey is sportier than the Sienna and is similar to a BMW, fine, that's your right, but I will continue giving my opinion too, and that is that minivans are not sport enthusiast vehicles, and are not intended to be, capiche? "
In my family of 5 vehicles, we always pick the ones that are fun and exciting to drive. We needed a minivan and the Ody was it. It is judged the best in handling and spirited driving by 7+ independent sources. I support their findings after test driving all the competing minivans, including 70+ minivan rentals, mostly DGCs and some loaded virgin T & Cs.
If you believe that you have more wealth of knowledge than all(7+) independent agencies/sources who have tested all the minivans and supported the Ody with awards/accollades, then that must be interesting - VERY INTERESTING!
Mit freundlichen Grüssen (As they say in German)
#2688 of 5511 Re: 2005 Odyssey performance on the Autobahn? [macakava]
Jul 26, 2005 (7:55 pm)
It's okay..We get it...really...