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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
#2297 of 5511 Like I said in the other forum...
Jun 14, 2005 (3:59 pm)
Honda looked long and hard at stow n' go seating. After all, they had this in 1995 with the first Odysseys.
All of their focus groups and research told them their customers perferred seat comfort to folding seats that are of little if any value to MOST people.
I have sat in the stow n' go seats and found them to be thin and uncomfortable.
I'm glad Honda made the decision they did although I know some sales may be lost by this gimmicky (to me) feature.
Chrysler was forced into the 7/70 warranty because they were losing customers because of mechanical problems. They HAD to do something and they did.
Hopefully things have improved and the longer warranty will no longer be needed.
Either that or the warranty claims were killing them and they had to change it for that reason. I really don't know.
#2298 of 5511 Re: Like I said in the other forum... [isellhondas]
Jun 14, 2005 (4:29 pm)
It will be interesting to see if Honda does come out with it later. I disagree that the middle seats are uncomfortable, although they are firmer. I haven't seen one tester that has evaluated the Dodge/Chrysler, say they were uncomfortable. I wouldn't doubt that on the new model they will be padded more. I am sure Chrysler will make the bins a little wider when they design their new van. They had to make do on this one with what they had.
As for the 7/70 power train warranty. I doubt it's because they are paying through the nose. Recalls in the last two years, that I checked are way down and they seem to have found out most of the tranny trouble was the fluid and have changed it. Their engine has been very reliable although they have had wiring problems in previous models.
#2299 of 5511 Marine2, I love you man!!!!
Jun 14, 2005 (5:00 pm)
Where's the love for ths guy!!! I'm reading through these threads and just laughing my butt off at the "fun" that is being poked at him. You da man Marine 2, they give it to you and you keep coming back for more. Persistency, I love it.
Back to my issue on the car seats. This whole tether and latch thing is foreign to me. I have an 00 MPV and I put my car seats in the old fashioned way WITH SEAT BELTS!!! Because I've not used them, I just don't understand the big deal.
We've actually driven both vehichles already, but NOT an apples to apples. We drove the Sienna mostly on back roads/city and Ody on highway. Plus only my wife drove the Ody. We are looking at a mid-line model and in these cases it seems like Ody wins out. Sienna LE 8 pass w/ option 5 vs Ody EX Cloth. For basically the same MSRP ~ $28.5 you get these extra's on the Ody - 2nd power side door, 6 disk changer and power drivers seat. To get any of that on Sienna you need to step up to XLE and then you can't get 8 passenger. I think Sienna does have some bells and whistles Ody doesn't - air pressure sensor, MPG tracking, etc...but I don't know them all.
The biggest thing will be price negotiation if we pick the Ody. I hate negotiating with Honda and have generally had bad experiences with "honda arrgance" that just rubs me the wrong way. I know I can get the Sienna for ~ 24.5 with incentives. If we end up liking the Ody better, whether we get one or not will depend on what the price delta is over the Sienna. I know it will be more, the question is how much. If it gets too high, we will go with Sienna regardless.
#2300 of 5511 Re: Like I said in the other forum... [isellhondas]
Jun 14, 2005 (5:00 pm)
Honda looked long and hard at stow n' go seating.
My take on this is that they plan to add AWD.
Chrysler gave up on AWD to add Stow-n-go.
Honda was critisized for not matching Sienna's AWD option.
Touring model tests out those new PAX tires (technically - huge improvement over Toyota's run-flats, I will leave the other issues with them aside)
Other vehicles sharing bits and pieces with Odyssey - MDX, Pilot, Ridgeline are all AWD.
People really do not need fold-flat second row in minivans, though it is a nifty and catching marketing feature indeed.
My bet is they are planning to add AWD after looking how the PAX situation sorts itself out. Their new Alabama plan is designed to be as flexible as possible and they have the hardware all tested out on other vehicles.
#2301 of 5511 Re: Marine2, I love you man!!!! [96corolla]
Jun 14, 2005 (5:06 pm)
The biggest thing will be price negotiation if we pick the Ody. I hate negotiating with Honda and have generally had bad experiences
I think arrogance varies by the dealers and is not specific to a brand.
The one thing that is good about Honda price negotiations is that you do not have to navigate tons of options packages. If you know exactly what you want (I guess - color)just call around asking.
It seems that $26K to $26.5K for EX was the recent going price (including destination) around here (north CA), though you may do better as the model year end approaches.
#2302 of 5511 Re: Which is the one ? [keyur75]
Jun 14, 2005 (5:09 pm)
Nissan QUEST S - on the road price $ 23, 000 (because of the Nissan's rebates and below invoice price bargaining)
Honda Odyssey EX
Quest S is an rough equivalent of Odyssey LX. Just go over standard equipment - carsdirect has a convenient side by side comparison mode.
Ouest S - 4sp transmission, steel wheels, manual air conditioning system - LX level at best indeed.
You can by Odyssey LX, with destination for $23K
You can buy Odyssey EX, with destination for $26K (I paid $26.5 a bit ago)
it is difficult to justify the extra $5000.0
Yes, especially when you do not have to pay that much.
You will pay $3K for a 5sp transmission, second power door, better AC etc etc.. About on par with what you pay for that kind of features. (What you pay in EX over LX)
Jun 14, 2005 (5:14 pm)
I think you are right DAE, as I was given a BBBIIIIIGGGGGGG hint by the Honda sales guy last week that 06 will have AWD.
I am in PA and I'm hopeful that I can get the price at ~ 25.5...we'll see. I've read on the prices thread that people are getting them 1 - 200 over invoice around here. Fingers crossed.
First things first, we gotta decide.
#2304 of 5511 Re: AWD for 06 [96corolla]
Jun 14, 2005 (5:19 pm)
First things first, we gotta decide.
It is easy: Ocean Mist.
#2305 of 5511 Re: Marine2, I love you man!!!! [96corolla]
Jun 14, 2005 (5:47 pm)
I love it too. There is nothing better than to prove people wrong, even though it happens to me enough too. After you reach a certain age, you let the little stuff bounce right off.
What I really like is proving the Ody isn't the perfect van all these Honda owners think it is. Does that sound right from a Honda car owner?
#2306 of 5511 Re: Marine2, I love you man!!!! [marine2]
Jun 14, 2005 (7:14 pm)
The point is, none of these vans are PERFECT. No matter what one van will have a feature that one likes more then the other. Its all personal choics. IMO I cant stand the Dadge Caravan. When my brother in law rented one to come down, I took it for a ride to pick up my kids, and you know how it is driving a vehicle that is not yours. Well after about 40km/h all I hear was a click and the doors lock. Yeah way to scare the living S*it out of me! then when I went to turn, the headlight on the side that my signal light was on turned off....another unexpected thing. AND then putting it in park and opening the doors turned on the hazzard lights...I seriouslly thought there was some electrical problem with the van. I mean why would the doors lock AFTER you are moving. I hate the feature of automatic locking doors anyways...but at least make them lock after you shift out of park. Myself sitting in the stow n go I didnt think they were THAT bad. My Ody seats were far more comfy though but my kids complained about them being "weird and uncomfortable". I also couldnt get the stow n go to stow...even following the instructions. I am a very happy owner of my Odyssey and would never even consider a Dodge Caravan. The Toyota Sienna is a different story...but still wouldnt trade my Ody in for one