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Oh well, marine2 is probably just a Chrysler enthusiast who wants to try tow win over some Toyo/Ody people...why else would we be talking about Chrysler on the Ody/Sienna forum. I do appreciate and respect his input though and mean no offense by the above statement. Bottom line for me is that I won't buy a Chrysler/Chevy/Ford product. For me, there is no comparison between those and the Sienna/Ody. I could be the dumbest most ignorant person on earth, but that is just how I feel. So, even if the Sto n go was the greatest thing in the world....which I still don't believe it is....I still wouldn't get any of those vans over the Sienna/Ody. Mttskys - if you've checked out the incentives boards at all, the really savvy shoppers have actually said that the employee discounts are "worse" deals then were available last month when you do all the math. They believe it is a marketing strategy to attract the folks who don't have the time/desire to do all kinds of pricing research and just hear "employee discount" and assume it must be an unbelievable deal. According to their research, it really isn't any better deal then has previouslly been available through cash back and finanching. Good luck with your decision as well. I'll be interested to hear what you decide. As I mentioned above, for me the difference between the Sienna/Ody and Chrysler/chevy/ford are like night and day so the little extra money is worth it in the long run. Good luck.
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Rorr, If he wants to put two car seats in the second row, that's no problem with any van. All can do that. But even if she had both in the second row and one dropped a toy on the floor, I would like to see her pick it up from the floor from the front seat and hand it back to the child without getting up to do it. I doubt she could do that even if the baby dropped their bottle in the car seat. Sto'n'go has some advantages; yet I get the impression that you INVENT more uses for them than naturally present themselves. No, but I do think about how stow-n-go can be used besides just hauling junk around. Just listening to some of you talk on these boards. You seem to only think unless your going to haul furniture or a bunch of junk around, stow-n-go has no value at all. If a person is going to plunk down $25,00-$35,000 for a van, shouldn't it be able to do more than just haul people and look pretty? Wouldn't you want one that made your life easier for you? Especially if you have kids. When my wife and I had our first child, we had a Chevy Camaro. It was a nice car and looked great. I loved that car. But with two doors, it wasn't much good for a family car. We got rid of it and bought a four door New Yorker. It made it a lot easier getting the kids in and out of. That's the same way I thought about buying a minivan. Any minivan can haul people around. But if I'm going to spend $25,000 on a van, I want it to do more than that and look pretty. I want it to make my life easier. Stow-n-go does just that. When I bought my van, I had a club cab truck. I could pick up my three grandkids and put them in the back seat of the truck, but it was a pain getting them in and out along with their back packs. My Dakota was a beautiful truck and I loved it. I only had it for three years and had just 23,000 miles on it. But it didn't make things easier for me. When I saw the 2005 Dodge minivan, when taking the truck in to get the oil changed and saw those stow-n-go seats, it didn't take me but a couple of minutes to see how I could use that van, to not only haul many things I put in my truck, but how much easier it would be hauling around my grandkids. I saw the very first day the advantage of stowing the middle passenger's seat and haven't had it up but once. If it's raining, I only have to push a button to open the sliding door. The kids can run in the van and sit in the back seats and throw their back packs on the floor where the one seat is stowed. I have put a wagon in the side door and a air compressor my brother wanted to borrow. I could not have lifted that air compressor in the rear hatch by myself. I had no trouble putting it in the side door by myself. I'm sure over the years, I'm going to find a lot more uses for my van that stow-n-go made possible besides hauling people from point A to point B. I'm just sorry more people can't see the advantages. That's a lot of money to plunk down for just a people mover. |
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Replying to: 96corolla (Jun 14, 2005 5:25 am) Bottom line for me is that I won't buy a Chrysler/Chevy/Ford product. For me, there is no comparison between those and the Sienna/Ody. I could be the dumbest most ignorant person on earth, but that is just how I feel. So, even if the Sto n go was the greatest thing in the world....which I still don't believe it is....I still wouldn't get any of those vans over the Sienna/Ody. First let me say I am not just a Chrysler person trying to win over ODY/TOY people. I read a number of boards, not just Chrysler/Dodge. Plus, I also own a 2004 Honda Civic, so it's not like I hate foreign cars and vans. I have never said that Honda and Toyota were not good vans. As a matter of fact, a few days ago, I said as far as vans go, and a people mover, Toyota was the king of the hill. I have seen the Honda several times and test drove it once while waiting to get the Civic serviced. If Honda had stow-n-go and I could have gotten a deal even close to what Chrysler gave me, I would have bought a Honda Ody and been on these boards telling people of all the advantages the Ody has with stow-n-go. But they didn't and stow-n-go does have many advantages to it for families and people that carry more than just people. You don't want to buy one, then don't. No one is forcing you. But I think stow-n-go is a great feature and could make life a lot easier for some people. I just want people to know the advantages of it over everything else on the market and not just look at it as a van that can carry people and junk. I am not so stuck on any make that I would look over another, that made my life easier. |
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"As a matter of fact, a few days ago, I said as far as vans go, and a people mover, Toyota was the king of the hill." So, you pick Toyo over Ody....why? Just curious and maybe I'll learn something. Thanks.
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"Rorr, If he wants to put two car seats in the second row, that's no problem with any van. All can do that." I may be mistaken, but I think this whole discussion began by comparing the possibilities of 3 across seating in the Toyota 8-seater vs. the Ody +1 system, which is something that NOT all can do. "But even if she had both in the second row and one dropped a toy on the floor, I would like to see her pick it up from the floor from the front seat and hand it back to the child without getting up to do it." Interesting. My wife does this all the time in our Ody, chasing down any number of dropped sippy cups, toys, crayons, etc. etc. If I were to suggest that we put the kids in the 3rd row, she'd probably look at me as if I had 3 heads and wonder, quite loudly, why force her to get up and move all the way to the back everytime somebody dropped their whatever. Perhaps my wife (approaching 40 quickly) is simply more limber than average, but I doubt it. Or perhaps you simply don't have a high opinion of the average woman's capabilities. Weren't you proposing that the average double stroller was too heavy for a woman to load in the rear of a van and that it was much better to load it in the side door with one 2nd row seat stowed? "You seem to only think unless your going to haul furniture or a bunch of junk around, stow-n-go has no value at all." Guilty as charged. Of course, YOU are the one always talking about how great sto'n'go is if one must unexpectedly haul something large and must, on the spot, fold the seats. Otherwise, EVERY instance in which you have espoused sto'n'go could also be duplicated in a standard van with removable seats. So, perhaps you could clarify: what does sto'n'go offer that an Ody/Sienna with removable seats CAN'T offer which does not include unexpected hauling? "I had a 2000 Ford Focus a few years ago. It was one of the neatest cars to drive. I loved driving it. But got rid of it after one year and bought the Dodge truck. Why? The monitor went out on my computer and when I went to buy another, I couldn't get it in the trunk of the car because the trunk lid opening was to small. Don't they make a hatchback version of the Focus?
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Replying to: rorr (Jun 14, 2005 8:22 am) We are constantly reaching back onto the floor in our Escape's second row to get at cups, books, etc. So yes, we want the two youngest in arm's reach... and yes, you want to pull over whenever you see us on the road because we are always stretching backwards reaching for stuff instead of driving. To stay somewhat on topic, we are comparing the Ody/Toyota against each other first... they are generally regarded as #1/#2 in reviews. The two appear to compare pretty even on most points... usability, safety, child friendliness... with the Ody having what is rumored to be better handling and the sensitive point of improved braking performance. After that, we're going to compare against the T&C. Which brings us back to the $$$ and haggling. I know the GM thing is a marketing thing for the most part.... but originally hailing from Ohio gives us relatives that work for Chrysler and Ford (not GM). So we get employee discounts on those brands plus their regular incentives. So it would be a fixed below-invoice price then ~$3500 in rebates for Chrysler. I now have some use cases in mind for our test drives with the middle seats and the folding 3rd row. Any other Ody/Toyo input for kid use? ... but I digress, we should get back to the Focus hatchback discussion and Stow N' Go on this Toyo/Ody board. 
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Replying to: 96corolla (Jun 14, 2005 8:02 am) That's not to say others are not close, they are. Quality has been going up on many makes, but Toyota is still the best. |
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1 - you are right, this discussion did start regarding putting 3 kids accross the 2nd row in oddy and Sienna. It was my question and it is still my quandry. 2. Thanks for your input on Toyo being king. I would agree. I bought my Carolla new in 96 and it still drives like a dream. At 102K, it is just a puppy!!!! My problem is that on first analysis, we tend to like the Ody more...but have the problem on possibly not getting the 3 seats in row 2. So, I'm just trying to figure out what the he#  to do! rorr - I think Marine2 is in a different boat them some of us as he seems to be a grandpa with grandchildren who are above toddler age. For him, it's easy/nice to throw the kids in row 3....the older kids may actually think it's cool cause it gives them their own little area and keep them further away from the adults. So, for him, it works great. For me, with kids 0 - 4, it is not practical for the same reasons you mention and I agree that you could accomplish the same things in Toyo/Ody by removing seats. Different demographics lead to different perceptions of what is useful and valuable feature. For Marine2, it works. For me and you, probably not. Either way, it is interesting to get the different perspective. |
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