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#2265 of 5220 Re: They are perfect for three kids. [marine2] by marine2 Jun 13, 2005 (4:07 pm)
Replying to: marine2 (Jun 13, 2005 2:43 pm) I find it hard to imagine people can not see the benefit to families with Stow-n-Go seating. There isn't another van on the market that makes it easier to haul children or kids in a car seat, or seats and be able to get at them as easily as you can in the new Dodge/Chrysler. You need to have just a little imagination and you can see all kinds of benefits you can't get with any other minivan.
#2266 of 5220 Maybe I'm just not getting it... by 96corolla Jun 13, 2005 (4:33 pm)
So, are you guys saying that you stow the 2nd row(or most of it) and use the 3rd row for your kids? I can see how it would be easier to get back at them I guess. However, don't you then lose the storage of having row 3 in the ground? Or, I guess you just "move" the storage to the middle of the van instead of the back. OK, I'll try to be open minded. It just seems like a swapping of space to me though. I could do the same thing by taking a seat out of the Sienna or Ody and using the 3rd row?   The concept of Mom sitting back with the kids is something we don't practice, so that benefit is not real useful to me. Thanks for the insight though, it is interesting. Replies to this message: marine2 (Jun 13, 2005 5:32 pm) mttskys (Jun 13, 2005 8:43 pm)
#2267 of 5220 Re: Maybe I'm just not getting it... [96corolla] by marine2 Jun 13, 2005 (5:32 pm)
Replying to: 96corolla (Jun 13, 2005 4:33 pm) So, are you guys saying that you stow the 2nd row(or most of it) and use the 3rd row for your kids? I can see how it would be easier to get back at them I guess. However, don't you then lose the storage of having row 3 in the ground?   You don't lose storage, you still have that big well behind the third row seat that you use to stow the third row seats when you don't need them. There is gobs of room behind the third row.   Or, I guess you just "move" the storage to the middle of the van instead of the back   No, but if you stow the passenger's middle seat, you not only have plenty of room to get at your kids in the third row, but there is room there to put stuff. Plus you still have room under the other second row seat to stow all kinds of stuff.   If your wife doesn't want to sit in the empty second row seat, she can sit up front and still be able to get up and walk all the way to the third row without stopping the van.   That's why I said the Dodge/Chrysler is people friendly. Of course you could always take the heavy seat out of your Honda or Toyota, but with Stow-n-Go, you don't have to. And you still wouldn't have the storage that Dodge/Chrysler has. Replies to this message: mttskys (Jun 13, 2005 8:43 pm)
#2268 of 5220 Re: Maybe I'm just not getting it... [marine2] by mttskys Jun 13, 2005 (8:43 pm)
Replying to: marine2 (Jun 13, 2005 5:32 pm) So I don't have a problem with the Mom sitting in the back. But since I only drive the family around on the weekends, she still needs to take all 3 kids around herself. My one year old isn't up to taking care of himself in the 3rd row, so she needs to reach him and the newborn from the driver seat. Hence our concern with getting two car seats anchored in the middle row.   To sum up, looks like the Sienna and the Ody can easily shift the two middle row seats together to allow my 3 yr old easy access to the back. We'll head to the Chrysler dealer maybe this weekend to see how easy it would be for her to navigate through the middle of the second row.   I still need to figure out if Ody/Toyota is worth the hassle and $$ of bypassing the employee discounts.... but that can be left to the angry/yelling on the Dodge/Chrysler boards. Thanks for the constructive help.   96corolla: Good luck with the 3rd kid. Let me know what you end up doing with what is really the least of your concerns: what to drive the kid home in.
#2269 of 5220 She can easily do it. by marine2 Jun 13, 2005 (9:15 pm)
To sum up, looks like the Sienna and the Ody can easily shift the two middle row seats together to allow my 3 yr old easy access to the back. We'll head to the Chrysler dealer maybe this weekend to see how easy it would be for her to navigate through the middle of the second row.   If you really check it out, you'll see the wife can get out of either front seat and walk between them and with the one passenger seat stowed in the second row, there is over two and a half feet of room to walk right up to the third row seats.That's more room than she is wide. She won't have any trouble at all. I have even done it.That still leaves one second row seat open to put a car seat in.
#2270 of 5220 marine2 by rorr Jun 14, 2005 (5:09 am)
Maybe you missed this part:   "My one year old isn't up to taking care of himself in the 3rd row, so she needs to reach him and the newborn from the driver seat. Hence our concern with getting two car seats anchored in the middle row."   mttskys does NOT want to drop/take out a 2nd row seat and place either the newborn or the 1 year-old in the 3rd row. Yes, you CAN do this in a DCX van with sto'n'go. You can ALSO do this in a Sienna/Ody by taking a seat out. The point is, that mttskys wants 2 children (at LEAST two children) in the 2nd row. This way, the newborn and 1-yo are within ARMS REACH, not where one would have to unbuckle and walk all the way back to the 3rd row everytime a child dropped a toy.   Sto'n'go has some advantanges; yet I get the impression that you INVENT more uses for them than naturally present themselves.
#2271 of 5220 3rd row seat latch by nwng Jun 14, 2005 (5:25 am)
how many are there in the dc vans?
#2272 of 5220 I think so too by 96corolla Jun 14, 2005 (5:25 am)
Oh well, marine2 is probably just a Chrysler enthusiast who wants to try tow win over some Toyo/Ody people...why else would we be talking about Chrysler on the Ody/Sienna forum. I do appreciate and respect his input though and mean no offense by the above statement.   Bottom line for me is that I won't buy a Chrysler/Chevy/Ford product. For me, there is no comparison between those and the Sienna/Ody. I could be the dumbest most ignorant person on earth, but that is just how I feel. So, even if the Sto n go was the greatest thing in the world....which I still don't believe it is....I still wouldn't get any of those vans over the Sienna/Ody.   Mttskys - if you've checked out the incentives boards at all, the really savvy shoppers have actually said that the employee discounts are "worse" deals then were available last month when you do all the math. They believe it is a marketing strategy to attract the folks who don't have the time/desire to do all kinds of pricing research and just hear "employee discount" and assume it must be an unbelievable deal. According to their research, it really isn't any better deal then has previouslly been available through cash back and finanching. Good luck with your decision as well. I'll be interested to hear what you decide. As I mentioned above, for me the difference between the Sienna/Ody and Chrysler/chevy/ford are like night and day so the little extra money is worth it in the long run. Good luck. Replies to this message: marine2 (Jun 14, 2005 6:58 am)
#2273 of 5220 You just don't understand. by marine2 Jun 14, 2005 (6:33 am)
Rorr, If he wants to put two car seats in the second row, that's no problem with any van. All can do that. But even if she had both in the second row and one dropped a toy on the floor, I would like to see her pick it up from the floor from the front seat and hand it back to the child without getting up to do it. I doubt she could do that even if the baby dropped their bottle in the car seat.   Sto'n'go has some advantages; yet I get the impression that you INVENT more uses for them than naturally present themselves.   No, but I do think about how stow-n-go can be used besides just hauling junk around. Just listening to some of you talk on these boards. You seem to only think unless your going to haul furniture or a bunch of junk around, stow-n-go has no value at all.   If a person is going to plunk down $25,00-$35,000 for a van, shouldn't it be able to do more than just haul people and look pretty? Wouldn't you want one that made your life easier for you? Especially if you have kids.   When my wife and I had our first child, we had a Chevy Camaro. It was a nice car and looked great. I loved that car. But with two doors, it wasn't much good for a family car. We got rid of it and bought a four door New Yorker. It made it a lot easier getting the kids in and out of.   That's the same way I thought about buying a minivan. Any minivan can haul people around. But if I'm going to spend $25,000 on a van, I want it to do more than that and look pretty. I want it to make my life easier. Stow-n-go does just that.   When I bought my van, I had a club cab truck. I could pick up my three grandkids and put them in the back seat of the truck, but it was a pain getting them in and out along with their back packs. My Dakota was a beautiful truck and I loved it. I only had it for three years and had just 23,000 miles on it. But it didn't make things easier for me. When I saw the 2005 Dodge minivan, when taking the truck in to get the oil changed and saw those stow-n-go seats, it didn't take me but a couple of minutes to see how I could use that van, to not only haul many things I put in my truck, but how much easier it would be hauling around my grandkids. I saw the very first day the advantage of stowing the middle passenger's seat and haven't had it up but once. If it's raining, I only have to push a button to open the sliding door. The kids can run in the van and sit in the back seats and throw their back packs on the floor where the one seat is stowed. I have put a wagon in the side door and a air compressor my brother wanted to borrow. I could not have lifted that air compressor in the rear hatch by myself. I had no trouble putting it in the side door by myself.   I'm sure over the years, I'm going to find a lot more uses for my van that stow-n-go made possible besides hauling people from point A to point B. I'm just sorry more people can't see the advantages. That's a lot of money to plunk down for just a people mover.
#2274 of 5220 Re: I think so too [96corolla] by marine2 Jun 14, 2005 (6:58 am)
Replying to: 96corolla (Jun 14, 2005 5:25 am) Oh well, marine2 is probably just a Chrysler enthusiast who wants to try tow win over some Toyo/Ody people...why else would we be talking about Chrysler on the Ody/Sienna forum. I do appreciate and respect his input though and mean no offense by the above statement.    Bottom line for me is that I won't buy a Chrysler/Chevy/Ford product. For me, there is no comparison between those and the Sienna/Ody. I could be the dumbest most ignorant person on earth, but that is just how I feel. So, even if the Sto n go was the greatest thing in the world....which I still don't believe it is....I still wouldn't get any of those vans over the Sienna/Ody.   First let me say I am not just a Chrysler person trying to win over ODY/TOY people. I read a number of boards, not just Chrysler/Dodge. Plus, I also own a 2004 Honda Civic, so it's not like I hate foreign cars and vans. I have never said that Honda and Toyota were not good vans. As a matter of fact, a few days ago, I said as far as vans go, and a people mover, Toyota was the king of the hill.   I have seen the Honda several times and test drove it once while waiting to get the Civic serviced. If Honda had stow-n-go and I could have gotten a deal even close to what Chrysler gave me, I would have bought a Honda Ody and been on these boards telling people of all the advantages the Ody has with stow-n-go. But they didn't and stow-n-go does have many advantages to it for families and people that carry more than just people.   You don't want to buy one, then don't. No one is forcing you. But I think stow-n-go is a great feature and could make life a lot easier for some people. I just want people to know the advantages of it over everything else on the market and not just look at it as a van that can carry people and junk. I am not so stuck on any make that I would look over another, that made my life easier.

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