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#2252 of 5221 05 xle w/ pkg 3 vs 05 ex by cleep Jun 11, 2005 (9:50 pm)
I purchased a Sienna xle with the $1600 safety package # 3 a couple of days ago. I shopped both the Sienna and the Odyssey. With the attractive financing (Toyota actually financed 3k over the negotiated purchase price so that I could pay of my Avalon), I purchased the Sienna for $500 less than the Odyssey (even though the Odyssey listed for 3k less).   The interior of the Sienna is wonderful ( I found the black steering wheel in the Odyssey to be "cheap" looking) and the power tailgate is awesome. The ex w/ leather is probably a better buy than the xle I purchased. However, Honda treated me like dirt and there's no way I could gain the concessions that Toyota gave me.   The Toyota sales manager and two different salesmen worked with me and I never once felt my blood pressure go up. I was able to walk away with $5500 in my pocket and no money down (after a fair $2500 trade-in for a beat-up 98 Grand Caravan that was on its last leg). On the other hand, the Honda salesmen chased after me twice and kept calling my cell phone until I told them I was now the happy owner of a Toyota.   I really hated the Honda people asking me to sign a piece of paper stating that I would buy a Honda at such and such a price. Wake up Honda, you can't keep treating customers like idiots and let your quality slip at the same time- not in this environment.   I
#2254 of 5221 Re: J D Power IQS (Initial Quality Survey) [sanger] by firstdaddy Jun 12, 2005 (8:30 am)
Replying to: sanger (May 22, 2005 8:01 pm) Sanger,        I am a Sienna owner, but depending on what you are after, the Honda could be a better fit. Put it this way, if you want to purchase the van out right, then the lower price of the LE model would be the way to go. However, if you are considering leasing, then the Honda is a no-brainer. Both vans are very good and you can't really go wrong with either one. Just to look at it a different way; compare these two vans to a Chevy Uplander with the GM employee pricing. To get about the same amount of equipment on a LS Uplander you will end up at about $24,300 with the GM employee pricing. This would be about $4000 cheaper than a Honda EX. However, if you lease the Honda, the lease payment is on the order of 60$ - $80 cheaper per month because the retains more value. The value of an Uplander after 36 months is around $9600 and the Honda is still $16000. If you try to lease the Toyota, it is about $40 - $50 more per month than the Honda because while is retains more value than the Chevy, it still can't match the Honda in resale value. This really did not matter to us, because we purchased our Sienna out right. However, looking back the Honda was probably a better value, but we liked the softer ride of the Toyota better. Hope this helps.   Rgs Replies to this message: irg (Jun 13, 2005 9:51 am)
#2255 of 5221 2006 Sienna by drivenow Jun 12, 2005 (9:23 am)
Does anyone have any info on the 2006 Sienna...Wish list - Power folding mirrors - Battery run down protection - More Horsepower - Painted Sonar bumper plugs - Interior upgrade - Satellite Radio - Voice recognition integrated telephone
#2256 of 5221 I agree that the Ody Ex is a better buy by 96corolla Jun 13, 2005 (4:47 am)
I was set on getting a Sienna with package 5 primarily because I had hear that you couldn't get 3 car seats in the middle row of the Ody. Since #3 is on the way and we don't want to lose the storage behind the 2nd row that is the primary reason we are even getting a new van. On a whim last week, we went to see the Ody. We really liked it and part of me is wishing we hadn't even looked at it because we're now spending all kinds of time figuring out if we can get an infant carrier in that 8th seat.   If you compare the EX with cloth to the LE w/ option 5, the EX is better. It is disappointing to me that Honda would make a minivan and offer this 8th seat, but make it pretty much useless. A minivan is supposed to be laregely a child carrier, why wouldn't you make sure it is usable as such. Oh well, maybe I'm just upset that we may have to get the van we like less(even if only a tiny bit less) because of a feature that should be available. Replies to this message: mttskys (Jun 13, 2005 9:02 am)
#2257 of 5221 Re: I agree that the Ody Ex is a better buy [96corolla] by mttskys Jun 13, 2005 (9:02 am)
Replying to: 96corolla (Jun 13, 2005 4:47 am) I'm in the exact same situation you are in. I didn't expend much time trying to figure out if the infant carrier would fit in the second row of the Ody. It appears to me that it is either the Sienna or we put a car seat in the back row.... which we aren't that opposed to doing. The problem with the 3 car seats in the middle row for us is the lack of access to the rear row when we need it.   Please post again if you find any other options for the third car seat. Always nice to find other people with my problems!
#2258 of 5221 Re: J D Power IQS (Initial Quality Survey) [firstdaddy] by irg Jun 13, 2005 (9:51 am)
Replying to: firstdaddy (Jun 12, 2005 8:30 am) Rgs, In my quest to find a minivan, I actually found the Sienna to have a better lease than a Honda Odyssey. In fact one Honda dealer told me they couldn't touch Toyota's leasing program, for now at least. Also, leases change every month, so depending where you live and which month, this can change. But I leased an XLE for $359/mo with $0 vs. $440/month for a Honda EX cloth. They both sold for about the same price (roughly $26,500) but the Sienna either had a better residual, or Toyota Finance arm is more aggresive at the moment. I do agree though, if you are to purchase outright, the Odyssey EX may be a slightly better deal overall. I liked that van better, but think the Sienna is very good overall, and an excellent value for what I have to pay. irg
#2259 of 5221 mttskys by 96corolla Jun 13, 2005 (10:23 am)
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post other sites on here, but check out odyclub.com they have lots of info on putting the child seat in the 8th seat. I researched that all weekend(my wife is ready to kill me) and the long and short of it is that if you can get the seat to be secure, you are supposed to be fine. Those people have actually contacted honda directly and their answer is on the site. Bottom line - some people say no way, some people say no problem, but their are child seat experts on there that say if you can get it installed per manufacturers directions, you are fine.   The nice thing about the Ody is if you CAN get it to work, in the long run it will be better because the two remaining seats are nice and big. In the Sienna 8, to get that 3rd seat in there, they shrink the other two seats. If you look at the 8 vs the 7, you'll see what I mean. So, in the ody as your kids grow and you no longer us the middle seat, they'll have nice big(ger) seats to sit in.   Regarding access to the 3rd Row, it is a problem, but for me, we hardly ever use it. I know on the Sienna, you can pop up the middle row seat - like getting in the back seat of a 2 door - so someone can sneak behind it and get to the back. Not sure if the Oddy has that option.   My kids are 4, 2 and 0 (on the way) and the way I figure, the 4 year old won't last too long in the 2nd row before he wants to head to the back. However, while he is there I want to make sure the kids are comfortable and SAFE. As I stated somewhere, as much as I like the Ody, I don't want emotion to lead me to the wrong decicison.   Depending on the ages of your kids, I have read that it is much easier to get a booster seat in that middle seat then a regular car seat. We'd like to keep the baby in the middle though, so again not very useful for us.   I think the only way I'm going to really know is by taking the base to the infant carrier to the honda dealer and trying it out. That is my next move. Replies to this message: nwng (Jun 13, 2005 11:13 am) mttskys (Jun 13, 2005 11:38 am)
#2260 of 5221 Re: mttskys [96corolla] by nwng Jun 13, 2005 (11:13 am)
Replying to: 96corolla (Jun 13, 2005 10:23 am) why can't you put the 4 yo in the 3rd row?   I would not put a car seat of any sorts in the middle seat. Replies to this message: mttskys (Jun 13, 2005 11:38 am)
#2261 of 5221 Re: mttskys [nwng] by mttskys Jun 13, 2005 (11:38 am)
Replying to: nwng (Jun 13, 2005 11:13 am) I'm not too trusting of that dinky middle seat myself.   My kids are 3, 1.5, and 0. So after the infant carrier runs its course, we will have 6mo to a year with 3 full size tethered car seats. I haven't bothered to check, but I would be amazed if there were anchor/tether attachments for 3 seats in any of the middle rows.   So we will probably send the 3 year old to the back. She can almost buckle herself in and out ... in the meantime, we'll be crawling back there to help. In the long run, the larger seats on the 7-seat Sienna or Ody will be more useful once the kids are just in boosters or free to argue over where they sit.   I know the Ody lets the two middle seats push together. Does the Sienna have this capability? I could see the infant and my younger in the middle seats pushed together allowing easy access to the back.   All this and we naturally have Chrysler/Dodge/Ford/Mazda employee discounts available. I really want to figure out a reason why stow n' go helps us in any way with car seats affixed all over the place....

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