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#2193 of 5230 Re: Questions about Honda Quality [05ody] by dhfd May 24, 2005 (10:00 am)
Replying to: 05ody (May 23, 2005 1:23 pm) Initially just irritating electrical issues, like, the radio not working, problems w/ the turn signal...but now the biggest has been a sludge problem in an oil screen, even though I've had the oil changed a regular basis. When I called the dealer about it, he asked if I had the 1.8T, (I do) and he diagnosed the problem w/o even seeing the car...said to get all the oil change receipts since I've had the car and he'd make a claim to VW to get them to pay.   Long story short, unfortunately, I didn't have all of these, and had the screen replaced, so far so good, however, there's a rattling/vibrating sound coming from engine compartment when its idling or pressing accelerator. Its at the dealer now...   If VW seems to know about such a problem w/ the 1.8T, shouldn't there be TSB?   Sorry about the VW tangent...I'd really like to get the Ody EX, just have that once bitten twice shy feeling. Is the LX and EX (w/o leather) have a different engine than the '04 Ody?   Can the rear thermostat be controlled by the driver's settings? The dealer said it was, however there's controls in the back, just curious his comment seemed confusing.   Also, does the Ody have a windshield wiper deicer like the Sienna?   thanks Replies to this message: 05ody (May 24, 2005 12:00 pm)
#2194 of 5230 Re: Sienna and different shades of gray leather [sanger] by isellhondas May 24, 2005 (10:39 am)
Replying to: sanger (May 24, 2005 6:20 am) Oh, be careful. If you do something oddball that you happen to like it may be a turn off later when you go to sell it.
#2195 of 5230 Re: Such a deal! [dilbertzzz] by isellhondas May 24, 2005 (10:42 am)
Replying to: dilbertzzz (May 24, 2005 7:35 am) A great post! You summed things up quite nicely here.   If never fails to amaze me what a big deal some people can make out of the smallest thing....small to the masses anyway.
#2196 of 5230 isell by dilbertzzz May 24, 2005 (11:01 am)
Understand that I'm not demeaning these folks' complaints in the slightest. These complaints certainly should be stated, listened to, and not belittled.   Personally, I am now completely spoiled by auto-locking/unlocking on both my 2003 vehicles: a Yukon XL SLE (the base model) and a Taurus SES (a Taurus, mind you!). I'm even just a tiny bit miffed that the Taurus has the feature, but doesn't allow the same range of programming options as the YXL (though I use only the one I like best on the Yukon, I did get to make the choice!).   I am also quite surprised that Honda would include that feature on only one model in an apparent attempt to help justify the expense of the most expensive version. I can think of no other reason as it undoubtedly costs them more money to make the different with/without versions than it would to include this simple feature on all trim levels.   My only point is that railing against Honda over these matters is undoubtedly personally more harmful than helpful: tilting at windmills.
#2197 of 5230 dhfd by rorr May 24, 2005 (11:17 am)
"Is the LX and EX (w/o leather) have a different engine than the '04 Ody?"   Well, all the '05 Odys (as well as the '04) have a SOHC 3.5l V6 with identical bore/stroke. The LX and EX '05 (like the EX-L and Touring) engines are rated at 255hp whereas the '04 engines were rated at 240hp. From that standpoint, the '05 engines are different from the '04. However, I think the only differences where in the intake and exhaust system and perhaps some slight tweeking to the VTEC system.   That being said, the VCM system on the EX-L and Touring is simply an offshoot of the VTEC technology. In that sense, I would expect the VCM system to be as reliable as VTEC. What is not known is the long-term reliablity of the special engine mounts and noise cancellation technolgy which is specific to the VCM or the long-term effects of cylinder shutdown (at least in regards to US spec engines). However, VCM technology has been used for a few years on some JDM Hondas so the technology isn't COMPLETELY new. I don't know if this eases your mind about the VCM technology or not.   "Can the rear thermostat be controlled by the driver's settings?"   I don't know about the LX and EX. However, with the EX-L, you can control the rear fan speed from the front HVAC control panel. You cannot control the rear thermostat or where the air is going (upper vents, lower vents, or mix) from the front. On the Touring, you can set everything from the front HVAC control panel (3 zone automatic climate control).   "Also, does the Ody have a windshield wiper deicer like the Sienna?"   I'm not sure but I don't think so.
#2198 of 5230 Re: Questions about Honda Quality [dhfd] by 05ody May 24, 2005 (12:00 pm)
Replying to: dhfd (May 24, 2005 10:00 am) Oh...so far no electrical problems with any of my Honda's. I know how you feel, and I wasnt too sure if I should buy a brand new vehicle first year and thats why I also checked out the Sienna. But with my good history with Honda I went for it and so far everything is just perfect about the van. The new Honda Odyssey's Engine is now rated at 255hp, 250tq...up from 240hp, and 242tq on the 04 models. If you upgrade to the Ex-Leather you get the I-Vtec (Instead of just the Vtec) with VCM, but the Honda dealer said himself it really doesnt make a big difference unless you are a big traveler, which I am not
#2199 of 5230 Re: changes for 2006 by carguy1234 [dilbertzzz] by jlawkwu May 24, 2005 (2:34 pm)
Replying to: dilbertzzz (May 04, 2005 9:24 am) Hi, I'm trying to decide on a 2005 Sienna or wait for 2006 Sienna and have some questions. I am very interested by the sound of, "The Sienna is supposed to get memory seats and mirrors, and power folding third row seats, among some other more subtle changes"   1. I've been searching for any information on what new features the 2006 Sienna may have and in particular really want memory seats. Can someone suggest any places/sources/sites that might offer insight to 2006 features?   2. Does anyone know when the 2006 Sienna models are scheduled to be available?   3. What does this mean, "an apparently optional-option"? It sounds like not all options are available throughout the U.S. (?)   Thanks Replies to this message: irg (May 25, 2005 5:01 am) tdm (Jun 02, 2005 2:19 pm) ixdavid (Jun 03, 2005 11:31 am) hw4 (Jun 05, 2005 5:03 pm)
#2200 of 5230 Re: changes for 2006 by carguy1234 [jlawkwu] by irg May 25, 2005 (5:01 am)
Replying to: jlawkwu (May 24, 2005 2:34 pm) This might change for 2006, but Toyota does this weird thing with their optional packages. You will notice there are about 10 or more packages for both the LE models, the XLE and then you have the AWD versions too. Some packages are available in certain regions of the country, others are not (or are not readily available). It can drive dealers nuts, because a customer comes in wants the package #5, but all a dealer can get is a #6 or whatever. There are so many varieties of the Sienna, it is amazing - and I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Better to have options that not most of the time. It reminds me of trying to buy a full size pickup, and looking at a Chevy or Ford, and all of the different configurations that are possible. Something for everyone usually.   As for 2006 models, if you aren't in a rush, it might make sense to wait for a 2006. If you want to save money, buying a 2005 at then end of the year could pay off for you - (actually buying at the end of any month helps save sometimes). Not sure where the power seats/3rd row power option started, somewhere on this board, I think from a Bulletin from Toyota. Your dealer might be able to confirm this, although probably a little too early to tell. I would imagine though, that the power 3rd row option, which would be a first on a minivan, won't be cheap, and will probably be available only on the XLE or XLE Unlimited, but I am just speculating here. A very cool option nonetheless. Replies to this message: tdm (Jun 02, 2005 2:19 pm) ixdavid (Jun 03, 2005 11:31 am) hw4 (Jun 05, 2005 5:03 pm)
#2201 of 5230 Re: changes for 2006 by carguy1234 [dilbertzzz] by jlawkwu by dilbertzzz May 25, 2005 (5:08 am)
Toyota provides a host of options on their vehicles, unlike Honda which is pretty sparse on such choices. However, depending on what part of the country you are in, you may well find that particular "options" you might want to choose are never available to you. In other words, the distributor responsible for your area may never ever order that particular option.   While it might be theoretically possible to order a Sienna built as you like it from the factory, I have never once heard of anyone successfully doing so. I think that practically that is not a possibility.   As for whether or not memory seats will be widely available (or available at all), I cannot say. But if/when they are listed as an option on the Toyota web site, you can then try to build a car with that option and check inventory to see if it is available in your area. My best guess is that the memory seats would only practically be found on the highest (and most expensive) trim level, if at all. Good luck! I hope you can get what you want.
#2202 of 5230 05ody-Oil Life Reminder by dhfd May 25, 2005 (6:26 pm)
Replying to: 05ody (May 23, 2005 1:23 pm) What is the oil life reminder? What type of oil do you use?

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