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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
#1301 of 5509 Re: Deciding between Sienna & Odyssey HELP! [amykkbc]
Dec 03, 2004 (12:14 pm)
1. Wrong. Honda did not want to recall this. They did what toyota did (actually worse, since there were case of accident already). They 1st denied it was an issue from 2000 to 2002. Then story broke on LA times, and soon after that an extend warranty was offered and Honda still did not admit that there was an issue. The official statement was that the failure was slightly higher than industry average and they are doing customer a great benefit by offering extended warranty. In 2003 NHTSA got involved because injuries were starting to occur when driver lost control, Honda finally decided to recall.
THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS HESITATION ON THE TOYOTA, WHICH WAS BY DESIGN TO DO AND DOES NOT CREATE A SAFETY HAZZARD AS THE HONDA TRANSMISSION.
2. Show me ACE is an automotive industry term? The truth is that Odyssey has not been tested at IIHS. The Sienna was the 1st car by any Japanese mark to earn best pick at IIHS in 1998, in fact it outperformed the 7 series at that time and was one of the best car tested in 1998 model year. The new one actually did better than 1998 model. The previous generation of Odyssey did not perform as well as the last generation of Sienna not to mention the current generation. So you are lieing in your response.
3. Wrong- not all Lexus has double wish bone suspension. Last time I check ES, and all of their SUV are not riding on the double wish bone. And your case simply proved my point further. The GS/LS both rides on double wishbone. But are consistently out performed by BMW E60/E65 with strauts. E60 pulled an amazing 0.90 G from a variation of mcpherson strauts, a more primitive design in theory as compare to double wishbone. This is the truth. For production car, the talk of double wishbone is more of a marketing ploy.
You are wrong. Last time i check toyota is still in F-1 getting their rear end whipped.
4. No it's not 1-2 second. The 5 speed transmission is not new. I have two car now with this 5 speed. Hesitation is only at my 04 sienna at get go and has more to do with the damn electronic throttle.
5. You are wrong on this. I don't see maybach using PAX either. Rolls Royce is a premium brand it can fly a tire/rims to a customer if needed. It will come and get you in middle of nowhere. Not with honda. Honda can't afford to have that type of service. 150 miles it not that far. If you have lived in mid-west, chances are you won't see a honda dealership within 150 miles. In addition, even if there is one tire/rims avaiable. What are the probablity if honda dealers runs out and has to wait 2-3 days to replace the tire/rims. The case in the Odyclub is good case, because the dealer has only one tire/rims and tire rack requires 2-3 days to turn around. Therefore after that tire is replaced, the next tire is 2-3 days away. So you are betting that there will be no customer with tire issue in those 2-3 day time frame. HENCE FOR THE DRIVER CAME AFTER HIM/HER, you are stuck. YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT!
6.huh? The stuff i posted are backed up with fact. Conclusion are my opinion that I drawn based on the fact i drawn, so what is wrong with that? Are you going to tell me that Odyssey is not 3" narrower than Sienna in the 3rd row? Are you going to tell me that Odyssey has Laser cruise control, HID? These are the truth.
8. where is your data? I would like see your so called %. So you are now pulling data out of thin air.
9. Stop twisting my comment. I said very clearly. 2nd row sear comfort depends on each person's preference. If you are going to compare the interior comfort of both van. the only quantative difference is that 3" of width advantage that Sienna has over Odyssey. Thus based on the only hard number the sienna wins.
10. Okay, show me how difficult is to pull one additonal strap with one hand. Both requires no effort what so ever. You are the one who is making claim that toyota 3rd seat is super heavy, when it is not and can be handled by pulling a strap. If your claim is true, the strap would not be strong enough to pull down the seat.
11. Let's see, you lied about Odyssey's structure (since it has not been tested). You had no clue on what happend with honda on the acura recall (btw, I used to own a TL), you did not have to deal with honda corporate like i did. You were incorrect in stating that all Lexus comes with double wish bone. You were incorrect about toyota's involvement in F1. So my comment stands.
12. No, I am not claiming that untested model is inferior than tested model. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS CLAIMING THAT AN UNTESTED MODEL WOULD OUT PERFORM A TESTED MODEL. My statemet was" 1998 Sienna was the 1st Japanese car to ever win the best pick from IIHS), Toyota has body structure advantage since it was the 1st one to meet that standard. It performed better than 1999-2003 Odyssey, hence my comment were true. I have stated clearly that I do not think Honda will release the new Odyssey to perform worse than last one. SO SAFETY WISE BOTH ARE EQUAL AT BEST. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS CLAIMING ACE STRUCTURE MAKE ODYSSEY SUPERIOR. NOT ME. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS ASSIGNING TEST RESULT FROM THIN AIR. My statement were if both van pass the same test with same score than both are as safe.
Being the 1st, means it had a technical advantage to allow it to be 1st come to the market. Catch up is not easy. Just take look at GM/Ford/DCX spending so many years just trying to match the quality.
Sorry, i failed to see where anything you said is truth. None of your point were valid. That is the truth.
You claimed so much mis-information. Torsion beam axle actually is very popular, not an outdated technology. Torsion beam axle does not equate to poor performance. Double wishbone does not gurantee performance.
SHOW ME THE BEEF! None of your statement thus far are correct and truthful.
Dec 03, 2004 (12:26 pm)
I heard the Toyota engine problem was related to a head redesign and it seemed to get hotter than the old one did. It would seem that they addressed this problem, however if the fix is working will take a little while maybe to determine.
Indep. suspension has advantages and disadvantages. On a skid pad, the fact that a tube axle hold the wheels upright helps with adhesion of the tires, vs some indy setups that allow camber changes (like the old VW beetles). Its also cheaper to mfg, and has less moving parts. In theory, an indy setup would have superior bump isolation, but this depends on many factors including tires, shocks, springs, anti-sway bars that link the two sides from being totally indepenant, etc. I have an older van with a tube type "semi-independent" setup and it works well enough but could be smoother.
The import transmissions are not quite up to the rest of the vehicles standards IMHO, for driveability and durability. I heard Honda is doing a decent job with customers. Dad told me they look at one part that is a known sign, if they find it has galling on it, they rebuild or replace the entire transmission. Pretty good.
I have GM product (hold your groans) and while the engine is low-tech, the GM transmissions are very good and well respected in the industry. Jaguar and BWM both buy GM transmissions for instance. I have found the responsiveness of my transmission to be excellent - slight pressure of toe and it will downshift. And I typically hate automatics slush boxes. GM also has superior fuel milage. But, y'all are probably not interested GM on this thread, just every model has its good and bad points - even Lexus.
Like someone else said, the Honda is quite low to the ground and has limited ground clearance, and since I go off-road for outdoor activities and festivals fair bit that was something I factored in.
#1304 of 5509 Re: My 2cents [dirkwork]
Dec 03, 2004 (12:40 pm)
you are correct. GM does make good automatic. Smooth and durable.
you are also correct with suspension comment. With production cars the focus should be on the tuning and compoent used. The difference in design on real world is minor.
#1305 of 5509 Funny reading this....
Dec 03, 2004 (12:56 pm)
Beacuse the vast majority of shoppers don't give a twit about 90% of the petty stuff that is getting argued about here.
It's amazing (to me, anyway) how a few people can get riled up over the most petty things.
Life is short...
#1306 of 5509 Re: Considering a sienna and a few questions [susiej]
Dec 03, 2004 (2:11 pm)
They ARE interchangeable. In fact, the AWD, XLE's with Pkg 6, and the LTD ALL have the SAME rim. In a pinch, you could replace a RFT with a conventional 17" tire.
#1307 of 5509 Well I just test drove both a Sienna and Odyssey
Dec 03, 2004 (2:54 pm)
at the same dealer. I was certain I liked the smooth handling of the Sienna over the Odyssey last time I test drove but today I liked the Odyssey better! I forgot how much I hate buying cars...
I was able to use the Honda Navigation system and it was great . I called a few Toyota dealers to try and locate an XLE with Navigation to see how that works but no luck so far. The last dealer I called said that in our region ( Ohio), Navigation only comes on limited models. Does that sound right?
Now I know this sounds like a ridiculous question but when I backed up the Honda the rear camera came on the Navigation screen. The salesman actually asked me what was on the screen. When I told him it was for rear view parking he asked me if *I* knew how to activate the "front camera". (He was being serious).
I dont' know what he is talking about, does anybody else?
Chiaw, about the modifications. The website on SiennaClub that describes the modifications makes it sound like they won't work on an 05 model. Do you know of other directions? Is it possible to have a mechanic make these modifications and does it void any warranty?
#1308 of 5509 Re: Considering a sienna and a few questions [chiaw]
Dec 03, 2004 (2:58 pm)
The honda dealer I was just at said they always have "one" in PAX tire stock. There is also a two year warranty.
I wasn't able to find out how much the replacements costs after the warranty expires.
#1309 of 5509 Re: Well I just test drove both a Sienna and Odyssey [susiej]
Dec 03, 2004 (3:33 pm)
A real smart salesperson you found!
He ought to be washing Odysseys instead of trying to sell them!
#1310 of 5509 Re: Funny reading this.... [isellhondas]
Dec 03, 2004 (3:44 pm)
If we didn't argue about trivial things, we'd actually have to get work done, and your post would have been #6 of 6.