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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
#1287 of 5511 Re: Deciding between Sienna & Odyssey HELP! [amykkbc]
Dec 03, 2004 (7:38 am)
The statement "...the truth is, the new sienna got the same rating as the old ody..." is incorrect.
According to iihs.org, all Sienna vehicles since 1998 have been given their highest ratings using their offset crash test. The 1999 to 2004 Odyssey did well... but is rated a little lower than the Sienna. According to nhtsa.gov, they both perform very well in direct frontal crash and side impact with the pre-2004 Sienna scoring one star lower on the front seat side-impact test. In total, the weight of test data at present shows the 2004/2005 Sienna to have the edge when it comes to crash protection and that the Sienna has consistently performed better overall since they first started duking it out. The new Odyssey has not been tested but I suspect that Honda will make their point.
That said... minivans are VERY safe overall. Heck... a 2000 Ford F-150 has a pitiful crash test rating... but which would you rather be in during a head-on crash? A F-150 or a Honda Accord?
#1288 of 5511 Re: Considering a sienna and a few questions [susiej]
Dec 03, 2004 (7:58 am)
1) Yeah, you've got the idea with the AWD runflats. Although "relatively easy" is uh... relative. They are easier to find than the RFT's, but a litle tough to find "at the last minute" if you are stuck in the middle of nowhere with just a few mom n' pop tire stores to find a replacement with. Bridgestones and Dunlops both fit, although you probably wouldn't want to intermix them on the same AWD car.
2) As-stock (i.e. as it sits on a dealer's lot) the Sienna's NAV is not as comparable to the Odyssey's. It won't have voice command, is restricted from use while the car is in-motion, and is not integrated as well with the car's other (HVAC, RES) systems. There's also a difference in POI (point of interest) numbers, although quite honestly I've run into issues with the Odyssey's POI's so that issue isn't so hot for me. It is somewhat integrated with the stereo system, though. The Toyota's RES system is more of a standalone unit, with the player and screen both in the ceiling behind you. The passenger will either need to sit in back to operate the player or reach around and behind. However, it will play on the Navi screen when the car is parked.
You *can* add some functionality to the Navi system, but it requires a lot of time and money. From the sound of your post it's not something you're willing to invest in. Personally I don't blame you. I'd rather not start tinkering with the car's electronic systems (and voiding parts of the warranty in the process) in a brand new car.
Good luck in your hunt for your new car. Let us know if there's anything else you need.
#1289 of 5511 Re: Deciding between Sienna & Odyssey HELP! [amykkbc]
Dec 03, 2004 (8:09 am)
After about a year of owning my Sienna, I have felt the tranny hesitation about two times and both under a second. It usually happens when rolling toward a stop and then trying to accelerate without coming to a full stop. Otherwise, it is smooth as silk. So, IMO, this is much about ado about nothing. In contrast, Honda does have endemic transmission problem far more than Toyota (about 2% was the earlier 4 speeds, but the 5speeds likely higher), but do we have evidence that this has been fixed for sure?
Some Honda fans seem to be playing up the so called ACE structure and touting shorter stopping distances etc. but to date there is "NO" objective proof for either. Until that time, it is advantage Sienna. Unless Honda releases pictures etc of their internal crash tests, I am not going to take Honda salespersons at their word.
Honda was touting that the 05 Ody was the quietest van, but the general opinion seems to be that Ody is not as quiet as the Sienna.
PAX tires on the touring Ody is a VERY BAD IDEA. I avoided the Sienna AWD Ltd because of the run flats, and PAX/non standard wheels are the worst possible combo.
Actually, ride comfort in the Sienna is excellent, and I am not sure why people should look under the car for independent suspensions etc. IIRC, Grand Caravan with a solid rear axle out performed the prev generation Ody with independent rear suspension in a mag slalom test. So, even there the Ody loses.
#1290 of 5511 Re: Considering a sienna and a few questions [thumper]
Dec 03, 2004 (8:47 am)
Just a few followup question to make sure I am understanding correctly.
If we opt not to get the AWD and get the limited, I think we are still in the same position in the event of flat . From what I've read I think the limited and AWD tires are interchangeable in terms of size so the difficulty in locating them in the event of an emergency would be the same?
I had also read quite a bit about supply problemw ith dunlops RFT's but not the Bridgestone's so wonder if I could/should specify a brand when purchasing the Sienna.
As to the Navigation system is it possible to not purchase it with the vehicle and buy a good after market one? Even though I hate doing that, I like the idea of the passenger being able to control the dvd and navigation while on a long trip.
Thanks so much for your help!
Dec 03, 2004 (9:08 am)
FWIW, the benefits of an independant rear suspension won't really show up in that handling test. You notice it more on bumpy roads, especially when you hit a bump while cornering.
#1292 of 5511 Re: Considering a sienna and a few questions [susiej]
Dec 03, 2004 (9:09 am)
Difficulties in locating the tires would not be the same. Non-run-flats in the 17" size would be more readily available. And you can always order an RFT for AWD from the Tire Rack and have it shipped overnight.
#1293 of 5511 Re: Independent Rear Suspension [stickguy]
Dec 03, 2004 (9:16 am)
Technically though, Sienna has a semi-independant suspension. IMO, the ride comfort of Sienna and Chrysler vans are so much better (isolated) than the previous generation Ody, I don't know why this should be a potential "advantage".
Honda fans time and again tell us that the suspension setup improves emergency handling, but the fact is it has been shown not to. Actually, an Ody loaded with people and stuff, rides so low with wheels tilted, it may actually be unsafe. (I am talking about the previous generation of course, I haven't seen the new one loaded to its capacity yet).
#1294 of 5511 Re: Considering a sienna and a few questions [heywood1]
Dec 03, 2004 (10:07 am)
But in a pinch with a flat tire couldn't I purchase a non-run flat tire for the AWD ( with all other tire RFT's). Or are the rft's and non rft's non interchangeable on the AWD.
My line of thinking was there no difference between the Sienna LTD FWD and AWD in the event of a flat in a remote location because I could replace both with a non rft tire.
On an interesting side note, I just spoke with my Honda salesman ( same one for the last 10 years). I"m going up to test drive the odyssey and asked him what he'd heard about the availabilty of PAX tires and said he hadn't heard a word about there being issue!
#1295 of 5511 Re: [stickguy]
Dec 03, 2004 (10:10 am)
that is not true.
bump absorpion depends more the spring and shocks used in that van, not the design.
Test have shown that Odyssey does not have the best slalom, emergency lane change, nor it has the smoothest ride. THAT IS THE TRUTH.
#1296 of 5511 Re: Considering a sienna and a few questions [susiej]
Dec 03, 2004 (10:13 am)
supply is not an issue for honda dealers. Each dealer has at least a full set of tires and rims. But turn around time is about 2 to 3 days for replacement.
In other word if the dealer got hit with 2 or 3 customer came in with flat, the latest customer to come in will have to wait 2-3 days until tirerack turns it around.
I think the better question would be how many tire/rims do they keep in stock. How soon can tirerack (PAX program is handled by tirerack) get replacement in when the tire/rims are out of stock at dealer.