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Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Car Comparisons, Van
#1008 of 5511 Re: equal or not equal? [truthspeaker]
Nov 17, 2004 (3:16 pm)
Discounting varies from region to region. On the West Coast, I found better deals on Hondas than the Toyotas. (on top of the baffling inability for several dealers to obtain an AWD XLE #12)
Safest automobile in the world? That's a mighty high claim to make. I hope your brother can provide us with some of the research to back it up against the safety records of Mercedes and Volvo. Perhaps it was a comparison against other minivans (which excludes the above mentioned companies), although as I recall the 1st gen Sienna wasn't that remarkable a vehicle. This is why the '04 was such a leap from the past generation in terms of utility, performance, and yes, safety. Toyota designed the Sienna to beat the pack of circa-2003 minivans, and most will say they delivered.
Everyone has different priorities and requirements coming into the minivan market. To some, three extra inches of hiproom in the 3rd row doesn't mean squat compared to some other feature. Some feature that may seem ridiculous to you, because your priorities are different. For me, having twins in child seats for the next several years... likely the service life of the current vehicle, having the tumble forward 2nd row meant precisely zip because I can't tumble with the car seats in. However, I *did* take note that the passenger 2nd row belt is incorporated into the seat, which makes getting into the back easier when the seat belt is used to hold the child seat in (as compared to Honda's belt against the wall, which would run across the access to the 3rd row). A feature you probably did not even notice because again, your priorities are different.
You're right. They're not the same. They're different. But they're awfully close... enough to make them well worth the time spent shopping both for anyone in today's minivan market.
#1009 of 5511 Re: placement of door buttons [denver5357]
Nov 17, 2004 (6:36 pm)
Yes, you should. If you comb the ceiling you will find Home Link, a digital compass, outside temp, a mileage computer, and a power door button.
#1010 of 5511 Re: Safest car [carzzz]
Nov 18, 2004 (7:52 am)
The first generation Sienna had the best rating (among minivans) from IIHS based on dummy dynamics and the second generation also gets the same rating.
Since, the newer Ody hasn't been tested yet, if I were in the market, I would wait till the results come out. Honda dealers keep claiming that the 05 Odyssey stopping distances are less than the Sienna, but do we have any objective evidence of that?
Same with the NVH levels in the new Odyssey. The general feeling seems to be though, while much better than the previous generation, the 05 is still noisier compared to Sienna.
I think Honda goofed big time going with PAX tires on the Touring. I avoided the AWD LTD Sienna just because of the run flats, and the PAX is even worse in that they are special sized tires where one can't even use ordinary tires in a pinch.
On the AWD Sienna the run flats obviously can be replaced by regular tires if one chooses to. I am not in the market any more, but the above mentioned issues would keep me from even test driving the 05 Ody.
Nov 18, 2004 (8:05 am)
At this point the Oddyssey hasn't been crash tested by the feds.
However, Honda has the largest indoor crash testing facility in the world. They, of course, have done their own crash tests and they fully expect the 05 Odyssey to earn top marks.
I know, in the past with new models, Honda has predicted 5 star ratings based on these tests and they have never been wrong.
#1012 of 5511 Re: equal or not equal? [isellhondas]
Nov 18, 2004 (8:59 am)
No it hasn't. No one has done test to prove that. Same with turning radius. Honda brochure may state that. But unless there is a comparison test Odyssey can't claim a thing.
#1013 of 5511 Re: Safest car [impact01]
Nov 18, 2004 (9:03 am)
Bingo. Try to replace custom rims and tires in middle of nowhere. Toyota runflat tire is already hard to find. But at least it's a standard size rim and can use regular tires.
But with PAX, you are totally stuck. Idiot move. Also, if the van already has PAX installed, why keep the spare tire location and take away the 3" hip room from the 3rd row. Odyssey just has so many of brain choke. No HID- like the driver don't need to drive at night.
Dumb move one after another.
#1014 of 5511 Re: all opinions of course [stickguy]
Nov 18, 2004 (9:13 am)
Better handling on the Odyssey is really overrated.
The steering response is much better than Sienna. But this does not equate to better handling.
#1015 of 5511 Re: Safest car [chiaw]
Nov 18, 2004 (9:27 am)
I won't argue with your opinions but tell me...
Do we really need HID headlights in order to drive at night? Really?
#1017 of 5511 Re: Safest car [isellhondas]
Nov 18, 2004 (10:38 am)
Yes you do.
Especailly when ambient light does not exist.
The good thing about Sienna HID is that it allows the driver ability to aim the head light at different angle if he/she chooses. Thus, at lowest setting, the HID is aimed to the gound and does not blind the oncoming traffic nor does it blind the car in front of it.
When there are no traffic around and no light, it allows the driver to aim 3 times further than lowers setting hence allows the driver to see 3 times further down the road. Much better than Odyssey head light. Try driving on highway 152 at night, you will notice how good the Sienna HID head light is compare to regular halogen light.