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Just bought a Cayenne at Porsche of Nashua, NH. Great experience: large inventory, brand new facility, nice people, no hidden tricks, and no suggestion let alone pressure to buy mop 'n glo products, extended care insurance, etc. I recommend them highly. The buying experience was a lot like going to a expensive men's shop like Paul Stuart or the old Brooks Bros. to buy a custom suit: pleasant, professional people who knew their business, great coffee, nice atmosphere, etc. I even got to see them prep Ralph Lauren's new Carrera for delivery. Porsche of Nashua offers two features I hadn't found elsewhere. Your sales person will be your point of contact on service/warranty work and they offer complimentary, comparable loaners (you pay for the gas though). These are two nice touches. Maybe our local Volvo dealer would have gotten an XC90 sale if his sales people (we currently have a XC70) ran interference with the service writers. (Sorry guys, that last botched warranty job didn't thrill us.) We pulled up by appointment at 9:00 AM on Friday to get the end of year, Section 179 deal, chose a car and were out in an hour. We pick the car up this Tuesday. While I know that 50% of Porsche sales are Cayennes, I am still surprised that Porsche isn't selling as many of these V6s as they can build. Afterall, the pricing is comparable if not lower than the 3.0 X5, the product is newer and better, and the buying/ownership experience more pleasant. Where would you want to have a warranty issue: at a very busy, high volume BMW store or a Porsche store trying to grow the line? Which car will have better resale in three years, a freshly styled V6 Cayenne or an outdated, old-style X5? One thing holding the Cayenne back is the tendency of some dealers to put 10K of options onto the V6s. This results in a 55K MSRP. They might as well post directions to the local BMW store at that point. Three questions. What do we do about the front end film protection. Go for RoadBlock (425 221 5352; RoadBlock.com) for $350 for the full front end and bumpers kits and have it installed by a local body shop? Or do we go for X-Pel (X-Pel.com) for quite a bit more money and have it installed by an X Pel trained installer? Maybe if we have the X Pel guy install it he, who presumably buys the kit at a discount, will discount the product to get the labor? We plan on keeping the vehicle for 10 years or so. In our experience, in New England that means having the front hood repainted a couple or three times. My second question refers to oil changes. I know that various dealers say that on the V6, you can wait until 15K or so to do the oil. This to me is crazy. Sure, the Mobil 1 is good oil but it gets dirty like any other oil. And, like all new engines, there must be some machining chips still in the engine. Shouldn't I do a change at 3K or so to get the assembly crap out it? Is an oil change difficult on a Cayenne, i.e., are there protective guards that must be removed? Finally, whats with using synthetic on an unbroken-in engine? The prevailing wisdom in the engine business (see Tech Bulletins by the Automotive Engine Rebuilders Association) is not to break in an engine in with synthetics because they won't allow for enough friction for the rotating/moving parts to get acquainted.
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jan 01, 2005 7:59 pm) 1- front end film , is the way to go, IMO. It protects the paint without destroying the looks/ style of the vehicle. I had mine done for $500 including labor...with double layer on the headlights. He also did the door ends that swings out and may get chipped on mailboxes and trees, and the two side view mirrors. Forgot which brand he used.... 2- there are a few protective shrouds that are easily removed to get to the drain plug. Yes, the first recommended oil change is at 15,000 miles....though I changed mine at 9000 due to the same concerns that you raised. At 3000 the oil still looked new. Maybe the oil filter does most of the cleaning of the oil. I changed the oil again at 15000 miles. It only has 16000 now. I read in the cayenne book (yes, they have a hard bound book) that the engine is hand assembled using the closest tolerances . After the engine is assembled, it is bench tested for horsepower....something other car makers do NOT do. 3- so maybe the engine components are well acquainted with each other , so that a more lubricating oil is good enough.. ..... In fact, that syn oil may extend the life of your hand assembled engine. I think AMG of Mercedes also hand assembles their engines ...... |
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blckislandguy.. I think your concerns about oil changes, break-in oil, synthetic in new engines, etc... are a little out of date.. The new engines come ready to go, right out of the box (so to speak).. However, I grew up (probably as you did) with 3K oil changes being the bible of car maintenance.. My current car also calls for 15K changes of synthetic motor oil... Since I can't completely disregard my upbringing, I compromise by changing every 7500 miles.. No good reason.. just makes me feel better, and since we put about 15K per year on the car, it only runs me about $90/yr. extra to do it.. regards, kyfdx |
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| Blckislandguy is right - the V-6s I looked at have on average another $10k worth of stuff loaded on to them (as opposed to the $3-4k worth I wanted), the dealers are just greedy. Had the same buying experience when I looked at Boxsters and consequently bought something else. | |
I need a great orthopedic seat. How is the driver seat in the V6? I'm considering the XC90 because the Swedes seem to put a lot of time into their seat design and build. Thanks, Roger
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Replying to: emersongs (Jan 19, 2005 8:42 pm) |
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Replying to: kaipingma (Dec 31, 2004 9:00 pm) You still did good I only got 4000 off msrp...wife got caught up in emotion. |
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my cayenne has about 11K miles and i am due for a oil change. The dealers around my area wants to charge me anywhere from $250-$325 for oil/air filter change. Should I change the oil myself? What oil is recommended? Anyone done this themselve? thanks!
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Replying to: mailbox222 (Jan 27, 2005 11:53 am) kirstie_h Roving Host Host, Future Vehicles & Smart Shopper discussions |
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Replying to: mailbox222 (Jan 27, 2005 11:53 am) I also went to the local oil change shop...and brought my own Mobil 1 oil....and they changed the oil for only $39.99 including a free handwash...so the oil cost about $30 ..total less than $70.00...but they did not change the oil filter....which is a special order item... I would just go online and buy your own filters, and have the local oil changers do the job...but tell them to be careful, and slowly remove the protective sheath that covers the undersides of the engine... |
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