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Bogus 19:9-1.3c violation-3 hour drive to court by steve54b
Apr 03, 2008 (3:46 pm)
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Hi,
Last week a NJ State Trooper gave me a ticket on the turnpike northbound because I drove through some cones in a construction zone (well before the actual construction site, but where all traffic was still being corralled into the far left lane), in order to get into the off ramp for a service plaza near Mt. Laurel. I'll spare you all the details of why this ticket was bogus and get to my question(s).
 
I live in upstate NY. Without traffic, it is a 2.5 - 3 hour drive to the municipal court where I am supposed to appear in Mt. Laurel. I'm an independent contractor, so this means an entire day of work lost, plus travel costs (including about 50 bucks worth of gas), if I go down there.
 
My last ticket was probably 3-4 years ago. I paid the extra fee to have the points waived. I'm guessing that for this ticket, it's probably best to spend the time and money to go down there and at least get a plea bargain (if possible) and avoid getting any points. What I've read is that the judge probably won't care about my story - as long as the officer has the facts correct, excuses won't count. But I'm also concerned about how the construction zone thing will increase the fine and points.
 
Any advice or additional info that might be helpful would be appreciated!
 
Thanks, Steve
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Re: Bogus 19:9-1.3c violation-3 hour drive to court [steve54b] by andsnyder
Apr 03, 2008 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: steve54b (Apr 03, 2008 3:46 pm)

It's my understanding that any violations in a construction zone result in double fines (not how it affects the points). I would go to court and plead the ticket down. However, you'll have to weigh the increased insurance rates against the cost of your time, tolls, and fines.
 
I don't think you mentioned how many points your ticket is, but be prepared to pay a hefty surcharge if you are able to plead it down to zero points.
 
As far as the judge, I don't he or she will be interested in your story. I'm sure they'll listen, but I don't think it'll have much of an impact. Not swearing to that, but my experience with traffic court is that they just want to get us in and out of there (although it feels otherwise).
 
Good luck.
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Re: Bogus 19:9-1.3c violation-3 hour drive to court [andsnyder] by steve54b
Apr 03, 2008 (6:52 pm)
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Replying to: andsnyder (Apr 03, 2008 4:27 pm)

Thanks for the reply - and I'll augment what you said about they "just want to get us in and out of there" - when I had my ticket a few years ago, the plea down process convinced me of one thing, and not a surprise - it was all about saving the cost of court time and still getting as much of the driver's cash as possible - their three priorities were revenue, revenue, and revenue. What really happened or what is fair - on either side - is pretty far down on the priority list.
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Re: Bogus 19:9-1.3c violation-3 hour drive to court [steve54b] by qbrozen
Apr 04, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: steve54b (Apr 03, 2008 3:46 pm)

Are you sure the points in NJ would apply to your NY license?
 
Ah. I knew this has been asked here before:
NYS points from other states
 
So, according to the NY DMV website, out-of-state points will not transfer to your NY license. So I wouldn't waste my time going to court, personally.
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Re: Bogus 19:9-1.3c violation-3 hour drive to court [qbrozen] by steve54b
Apr 04, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Apr 04, 2008 7:56 am)

Thanks for that reply - even though the link pointed to a posting in this forum from 2005, I checked the NY DMV website for the most up to date, and it still says that only points from Ontario or Quebec will transfer to NY driver license records. I think I'll call the NY DMV just to double check, but perhaps it will make most sense to just pay the fine.
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Re: Bogus 19:9-1.3c violation-3 hour drive to court [steve54b] by fezo
Apr 04, 2008 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: steve54b (Apr 04, 2008 9:29 am)

Sounds like a deal to me. Mail it on in.
 
New Jersey accepts points from more places. I remember getting two points ages ago because I got a speeding ticket in Florida. That equals two points no matter what the violation was in the other state. I like the New York deal better. Ontario and Quebec? Go figure.
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How to avoid Suspension by santoshmanya
Jun 20, 2008 (8:49 pm)
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Hi Guys,
 
I moved from South to North and as a new NJ resident, I was unaware of NJ traffic rules.
In April I received 2 tickets at a time,one was failure to observe traffic signal ( no turn on red 2 points) and speeding (4 points ) as I was trying to merge on GSP.
In May I received one more ticket failure to observe traffic signal ( no turn on red 2 points).
Total were 8 points and I don't know that, I can defend my points in court and paid the penalty online.
 
Today I got one more 4 point speeding ticket while I was passing a steep road the cop had caught me doing 40 in 25 and making the total to 12 points.
 
Can anyone help me how to avoid suspension of my license as my record will be entered into National Driver Register (NDR) database which is accessible for all the other 50 states.
 
I was totally ignorant of no turn on red law.
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Re: How to avoid Suspension [santoshmanya] by fezo
Jun 21, 2008 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: santoshmanya (Jun 20, 2008 8:49 pm)

I don't know - beyond my expretise.
 
On those lights, though, NJ allows right turn on red if safe after full stop unless the intersection is marked with a no turn on red sign. You might want to check the intersection.
 
The only thing I think of immediately is maybe you can can the failure to observe traffic signal down to a failure to observe sign which doesn't carry points. It's something anyway.
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Re: How to avoid Suspension [fezo] by santoshmanya
Jun 21, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Jun 21, 2008 9:48 am)

Hi Fezo,
I will try to change my license to a different state which does not carry out-of-state ticket, so that I can avoid NJ Tickets
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Re: How to avoid Suspension [santoshmanya] by qbrozen
Jun 23, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: santoshmanya (Jun 20, 2008 8:49 pm)

you've got me confused.
As Fezo said, NJ does allow right turn on red after a full stop, unless otherwise posted.
 
Which kind of leads me to my 2nd point.
 
I was unaware of NJ traffic rules.
 
This statement troubles me. What exactly were you cited for that required you to do anything more than read road signs? The speed limit is not a secret law specific to NJ. And the turning on red, as explained above, is only a violation if there is a sign that tells you NO TURN ON RED, which again, means no requirement of knowing NJ motoring laws is necessary, you only need to read the signs.

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