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Honda Civic, Sedan
Aug 14, 2005 (2:52 pm)
If you like the Corolla, then I respect you. Different people have different tastes.
I've always thought that the Civic's interior was very practical and simple- the CD player and A/C knobs have always been an easy reach for me in my 1999 Honda Civic Value Package. Sure, it may not have been upscale looking, but Honda's design worked, and so I liked it.
When car shopping, I'm much more concerned with the layout of the interior than how it looks. Just look at an Audi A8L. The interior may be beautiful, but to me it's a hopeless array of tiny buttons and MMI. The Civic's interior may not be beautiful, but it's simple, and simple works when you're driving in the middle of the night and need to adjust the air conditioning.
Toyota and Honda, in my opinion, have always had two different yet distinct personalities. Honda tended to make sportier, simpler cars (notice Hondas have no confusing array of option packages, option groups, or anything of that nature) that appeal to most people. Toyotas, on the other hand, are more conservative and buying one can be a frustrating experience. (not finding the right option package/color combination on the car you want)
From your previous posts, you seem like a Corolla fan. I won't stop you from buying a Toyota Corolla, but at least try not to trash Hondas and Honda owners. Different people have different tastes. That's why there are many cars for people to choose from. Not everybody in the world is exactly in love with the Toyota Corolla.
Sorry host if my post is very off topic. Just decided to repond. You can go ahead and delete my post if you'd like.
#662 of 4597 Re: Spotting Update [sr45]
Aug 14, 2005 (3:14 pm)
* The Corolla does offer fake wood trim, if you are into that kind of thing. It's not bad looking, but I find the Civic's interior good-looking in a minimalistic kind of way (and I'm not that young). However, it's five years old and due for updating--which it will be in just a few weeks.
* I'd take the smooth HVAC controls on the Civic to the plasticy knobs on the Corolla any day. Even the HVAC knobs on my Elantra are smoother and have a higher-quality feel than those on the Corolla. Toyota let their usual quality slip on that one.
* The other major place Toyota slipped on the Corolla's interior design is in the driver's seating position. It's uncomfortable for even average-height drivers, like me. I would like to know what Toyota's engineers were thinking when they designed that interior. "Most of these will be purchased by women and short men", perhaps. Anyway, the Civic's driving position isn't best in class but doesn't have the problem the Corolla does. That one thing makes the Corolla unlivable for me. I cringe whenever I get one as a rental. I hope Honda upholds its reputation for ergonomic design on the new Civic.
#663 of 4597 Re: Spotting Update [sr45]
Aug 14, 2005 (3:22 pm)
Dude, I may be in my mid 20's but I can spot a flaming closet case Toyota fan boy or a sub baby boomer a mile away. You can go on all day about spending a great deal of money on a sub-20k car all you want but be honest with us if you are so obsessed of the interior layout on an entry level model Honda perhaps you should move up to.... I don't know a midsize maybe. If you think I care about what kind of artsy interior accents car companies try to brush off on me and my generation to make us think the car is cool or hip or whatever terms you 30 somethings make up to try to sound like you are half the age you actually are you got another thing coming pal. Honda builds cars that are safe, perform well, efficient, well equipted affordable, and most importantly functional. Go buy your Corolla and be old its ok we understand, better yet go buy the Scion thats an artsy car designed to appeal to my generation because no one my age would think twice about buying a Toyota (It is my parents car and Toyota has always been more concerned with holding on to old people so go back they feel bad already that they lost you)
Aug 14, 2005 (3:50 pm)
and I like the Civic's interior. The Corolla has a nice looking interior but I hate the hard plastics used. Also, like Backy said, the Corolla is not a good fit for a lot of people. My husband can't even drive the Corolla much less be comfortable in it. Add to that the Corolla's rear beam suspension and the Civic looks that much better.
#667 of 4597 opinion
Aug 14, 2005 (5:14 pm)
You can go on all day about spending a great deal of money on a sub-20k car all you want but be honest with us if you are so obsessed of the interior layout on an entry level model Honda perhaps you should move up to.... I don't know a midsize maybe.
So with Honda you have to spend big bucks to get a decent design? Actually I can't argue with you there because the Acuras look ok but Hondas are getting really bad. The front of the Civic is really bad and you'd think with all the complaints about the Accord's front that they would have enough sense to do something different. It was only because of the rear that the front wasn't bashed as much as it was. The Civic rear doesn't look too bad so all the complaints will be about the front.
The interior looks cheap to me. I hate the pod design they keep using. The Camry looked cheap too because of it but they finally fixed that to an extent with the refresh. And look at the steering wheel. Not to jump on the bandwagon but you have the Saturn front and Saturn steering wheel to go along with it. But Honda fanboys will think this is the greatest thing since sliced bread but with a GM badge they would think it's ugly.
Yes I bash Hondas a lot but I really wanted to like this car (and possibly buy one) but the front and the steering wheel is flat out terrible. Why should I spend 15k-20k on an ugly car? The Corolla is a work of art compared to this IMO.
Add to that the Corolla's rear beam suspension and the Civic looks that much better.
The hatch is suppose to have a beam suspension so it's possible the sedan and coupe will too.
#668 of 4597 Re: opinion [pzev]
Aug 14, 2005 (5:58 pm)
First take out the four-wheel double wishbones, then put a beam in the back?!? Welcome to 1987! (I think that was the last year the Civic had a beam rear axle.)
I was wondering if it was just me who was not too impressed by the looks of the new Civic, but I guess not. The coupe is pretty nice (continuing the trend of the last few generations of the Civic--coupe much nicer than sedan), but the sedan has that generic-jellybean-small-car shape that we've seen before and will see again (cf. Corolla, '06 Accent). Nothing offensive, just not exciting. I still think the Mazda3 is best in class there. I even prefer the Forenza to the new Civic. And the new interior is, well, let's say I scrunched my face and went "eeeeeeeeww!" when I saw the latest pics. Except for the glittery trim (puh-leeeze!) and nav system, it looks old. In fact, it reminds me of the dash on the Integra--which looks dated compared to many other, newer cars. There are several small-car dashes I think are nicer than this one--Mazda3, Forenza/Reno, Spectra, even Cobalt. Maybe it will look better in person.
#669 of 4597 The Civic
Aug 14, 2005 (6:05 pm)
I think the design is OK, not particularly exciting, but the steering wheel looks strange.
And yes, I am one of those people who actually LIKES the Saturn ION. (Sure, it may be ugly, but it does the basics OK, and my friend's wife has one and she is happy with it, so I guess its a decent car, IMO)
#670 of 4597 Re: opinion [backy]
Aug 14, 2005 (9:32 pm)
And the new interior is, well, let's say I scrunched my face and went "eeeeeeeeww!" when I saw the latest pics.
I hope it looks better in person.