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Honda Civic, Sedan
#3499 of 4597 Re: Harsher=Better? [thegraduate]
Feb 17, 2006 (5:44 am)
"Your idea of better is harsher? Most of the market prefers more imperceptable shifts, I would think. If you like a stiff shifting auto, then I have a 1996 Accord LX to sell you..."
Yep harsher is better. I would love it if our 7th gen Accord had a 4th gen AT in it. I knew better than to buy a small car with a automatic in it,, muchless a Honda automatic. But knowing the wife will drive it more than I. What the heck. Ive enjoyed my Civic 5MT. Get to drive it to work today. I will be stuck in Tulsa traffic at 5:00 pm today with a MT and a grin just above my chin.
Most of the market wants a smoother shift. I would have to agree. But must of the market has no idea what has to go on to make that smoother shift happen. In a nut shell its controled slipage. Makes life harder on the clutchs, fluid and bearing. More heat more clutch matrial floating around in the fluid.
Honda got smart and put a tranny oil filter on the Accords AT units. Ive wondered if they did the same for Civics AT units. On the I4 autos its a filter that looks like a fuel filter. On the V6 autos, its a filter elemnt behind a cover plate. When i changed the fluid and filter on the Accord I cut the filter open. And it was packed with slurry/fiber type matrial. That would be clutch matrial from that uber soft shifting it does. Glad that matrial was in the filter and not pluging up passages and flowing around and thru bearing.
Also Im not convinced that Honda has there choices for tranny fluids right. They make it sound like you cant or shouldnt use anything but there products. What hog wash. I went to a Chevy dealer to buy some GM syncomesh MT tranny fluid for my new Civics MT. They where out. Come to find out the Honda dealer next door bought all 8 cases they had in stock. I wondered over to the thug Honda dealer and sure enough setting on the end of the parts counter on the floor in the service side of the parts counter was 8 cases of GM tranny fluid. On the public side of the counter was display shelfs full of Hondas tranny fluid. None of the GM stuff there. LMAO.
Off to work now. I get to enjoy the postive shifting of my 5MT and once again push the high 30's or low 40's in mpg.
#3500 of 4597 Re:"LUG Bug" problem [psy]
Feb 17, 2006 (7:13 am)
Could anyone tell me what is "LUG Bug"? How it can be fixed? Do you thnik Honda will fix it for us?
#3501 of 4597 Re: Harsher=Better? [psy]
Feb 17, 2006 (8:41 am)
To each his own I guess.
Part of the way the Accord (and I imagine the Civic, now) pulls off a super-smooth shift is by matching revs during the shift itself (with the Electronic Throttle).
#3502 of 4597 Re:"LUG Bug" problem [qddave]
Feb 17, 2006 (10:23 am)
Its sad that you would presume that the people on this forum are too stupid to determine the difference between normal road noise and abnormal vehicle noises. I clearly believe the 06 civic does have some noise issues. My civic has been back to the dealership 5 times for same noise issue. Dealership is unable to repair because replacement parts are also defective. That is what the Service Director at dealership has told me. My noise issues are valid and I'm sure that all other Civic owners who take the time to post here are as well.
#3503 of 4597 Re:"LUG Bug" problem [gp46]
Feb 17, 2006 (5:02 pm)
Wow, I'd love for you to pinpoint in my post where I presumed that people on this forum are too stupid to determine the difference between normal road noise and abnormal road noise.
I'll even paste in my post:
I've test driven a few Civics and did not notice any irregular vibrations, although I wasn't looking for them. I'm not trying to start anything, just curious. What if the Honda comes back and says, "that's the way the car is supposed to sound." What will you do, get rid of the car?
Auto trans equipped Proteges have an interesting high pitched whine while at highway speeds. Owners complained and Mazda replied by saying that it was the natural resonance of the transmission. In no way is it a part failure, just a design flaw. Definitely something that the dealer cannot fix. So do you still hang hte issue over the dealer's head? Furthermore, Honda likely wouldn't put it at the top of the list for fixes. I personally don't see it as high priority. It's not like the loose gas pedal issue. Maybe that's the way the car is supposed to sound.
Some posts had people complaining about a rattle hear and there, or easily hearing the sounds of the road through the floor. It isn't a Lexus, it's an economy car. Do you think the fully loaded EX gets more insulation than the stripped down DX? I guess I'm sort of saying, "keep and open mind." There's a lot to like about this car and it is a first year model. Think about what Cobalt owners put up with.
#3504 of 4597 Power steering fluid and interior scratches
Feb 17, 2006 (8:15 pm)
I noticed when looking at the manual, it stated that using Honda power steering and braking oil is perferred. But, I was wondering if I could use some other oil/fluid brand instead of the Honda Brand. Would it damage my engine? By the way, when I purchase my 06 Civic LX sedan, I noticed that some edges and other interior parts/surfaces were either chipped or sratched, is that normal in a new car, I don't mean to be picky but it just doesn't feel right. I thought that a civic would have better fit and finish that this. Is this a sign that this is a demo car? And is it normal when everytime I turn on the car, there's this cruise main icon that showed up on the dashboard. Finally, is there a way to turn off the daytime running lights.
Thank you very much for all your advices.
#3505 of 4597 Re: Power steering fluid and interior scratches [drexelnet]
Feb 17, 2006 (9:28 pm)
On my '06 EX the Cruise Control light will come on with a restart if it was left on when engine was previously shut down. The manual says that the DRL can be switched off by the Honda dealer on U.S. cars. Don't really know about your chips and scratches. Did the car have much mileage on it. Mine was actually driven from another city, so it had 200 miles when I got it, but everything was clean and shiny.
#3506 of 4597 Re: Question on Civic [nooffal]
Feb 17, 2006 (9:50 pm)
Hi. You might have already read my post, but we have been having the same experience. The not starting at all seems to be isolated to colder mornings, but in general we have noticed that the car just doesn't seem to turn over like one would expect a new car to. We took the car in the first time we had trouble starting it (we've had at least 5 times now where there was no denying that the car was having serious starting issues) and the mechanic did note that it was starting rough. The mechanic reset the idle and that seemed to work for a few weeks. We are back to having the same problem again (both yesterday and today the car wouldn't start the first attempt) and I was on the phone again with the service dept. I requested that the same mechanic that first detected the problem be the person to take a look at it, and we have arranged to leave it over night so they can start it cold in the morning. I wouldn't brush it off, I'd take it in. I agree with you that a brand new car just shouldn't have problems starting even on a cold morning. I'll let you know if we discover any solutions. Best of luck!
#3507 of 4597 Re:"LUG Bug" problem [vinnyc]
Feb 18, 2006 (6:07 am)
It's the "growling noise" many of us are getting at 1500 rpm. Some people say it is a "lugging" problem where the transmission isn't shifting to a lower gear soon enough and the engine lugs. This would be very evident on a manual transmisson car if you were in too high of a gear. I am not certain that that is what is happening in this case as I can hear the sound in first gear as the engine passes through 1500 rpms. Personally, I think it is just a case of something resonating at 1500 rpms. What it is, or what causes it, I don't know.
There are a lot of "experts" on this board who claim to know exactly what the problem is but I'll wait for Honda to come up with a solution. My dealer said they have had numerous complaints about this but even their best mechanics can't figure it out yet. Honda doesn't have an answer yet either so how can people on this board be so certain it is "lugging"?
#3508 of 4597 Temperature knob
Feb 18, 2006 (11:59 am)
When turning on the car, I noticed that one of the temperature knob always turn on, its the one that is located on the middle of the top column, is that normal, can i turn it off? do other noticed that when gently stepping on the gas pedal the car gives it a jerky feeling, like it accelerating off the line.
thank you very much