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Replying to: ecuot88 (Oct 29, 2005 12:51 pm) I am 6-3" and have not had a problem with the hand brake at all and my knee is still around 1 1/2 to 2 inches from the brake. |
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Replying to: herrkaleu (Oct 28, 2005 10:17 pm) I don't understand the 'inflated' HP claims about Honda but not Mazda. The Civic makes its 140hp at 6300 (500 rpm below the redline). The 2.3 in the 3 makes its 160hp at 6500, which is the redline of that engine. Likewise the Civic makes its 128 lb/ft at 4300 where the 150 lb/ft of the 3 is 4500, 200 rpm higher. In both cases, the Civic makes its peak power at a lower RPM than the Mazda does. The Civic is tested to new SAE standards, if anything the 3 might have inflated numbers, having been tested with older standards. The Civic can cruise at a low rpm, it's just not going to have the power without a shift that the Mazda does. The Mazda has a 20 lb/ft and 20 hp advantage, as well as 500cc's more in displacement. Torque at 1500-3000 is most likely going to favor the 3. "No replacement for displacement". If you care more about power, then the 3 is your better choice. If you don't mind losing about 20hp and gaining about 1 second in 0-60 in exchange for an extra 5/7 mpg, than the Honda is the best choice. I believe the Civic can easily match the 2.0 in the 3i. I too have been looking at both these vehicles for a while. It is a difficult choice. And referring to your dealer, I suggest looking for a different dealer. They seem to not be well trained in their product, and if you're sure they are ripping people off in maintenance, whats to say they aren't going to rip you off in other areas as well. If you find some torque / hp curves for either engine, be sure to post it, I am interested in that too.
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I was trying to understand for what reason the Civic had 'inflated' hp and the Mazda didn't in the mind of herrkaleu. Both vehicles get decent economy. I myself am leaning toward the Civic and its better economy. My first car was a Civic, and maybe nostalgia is playing a bit of a role in my reasonings. 140 hp is plenty of power for an economy car (is a $20k+ Civic still an economy car?). I also like the 3 for its sporting nature and the automotive press which pretty much unanimously hail the 3 as the best economy car available. Its mpg, 25/31 isn't too bad plus the HB versatility is nice. I think, for me, it will eventually come down to getting the best quotes on both vehicles, factoring in my own yearly mileage and interest charges and see which is cheaper. It seems that the Civic is slightly less msrp equipped how I want it, EX Navi vs 3 GT with bose/sunroof pkg. |
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At what option level does civic split from the economy car line.... I think one can get a 5 speed 05 accord for 17k and a 06 civic for a bit more..... I had a unique experience of actually throwing a 05 left over as a comparision on 06 civic .The accord was turning to be a better buy. |
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Replying to: claudius753 (Oct 29, 2005 2:54 pm) about the SAE Power.. the Mazda still has 160 hp. SAE made some cars "lose" power, som gaines, some stayed the same. And 2.3 l sound like 160 hp. hwereas 1.8 l sound less like 140 hp. Well, I havn't driven the 2.0 Mazda eihter, which I would compare to the civiv. I just noticed the big low end rpm difference despite the Civic weighing 100 pounds less. I need to repost my comment (it was deleted, so I censor it) hope soemone can tell me about the maintenance cycle (wehther chain and when to change oil. Here si my old comment...hope someone can help me (sorry, too lazy to write it new: I don't care about what sales people say... Does anyone know from a reliable source if there is a timing chain or a belt? The variable oil change interval is being used by VW/audi/BMW etc. too. not sure if Honda has the same. The deal is, a sensor measures temperature, load, rpm and other stuff over time. Based on that it "knows" how much the oil was used (like lot of short distance driving with cold engine, or lot of high rpm high temp driving..). Some systems have a dirt sensor that measures the ash content in the oil. based on that info it tells you when to change the oil. The catch is, under real world driving you never reach the distance they promise. VW/Audi promised 50000 km oil changes. Under real driving conditions the oil change light comes on after 30000-40000 km. (Well, still better than the 5000 miles changes... anyway) So, it'd be good to know after how many miles the Honda maintenance minder tells you to get the oil changed. Maybe after 10000 miles, maybe after 5000 miles. It still is too new to tell.. since no one has already driven 10000 miles (if so, then it'd have been highway mainly which doesn't wear out the oil anyway..) Does any civic 06 owners have a manual to have a look to see what Honda says? I really don't want to ask the sales guy, since they just want you to change the oil every 10 miles..... in their shop, of course.... I used to drive a Seat Ibiza TDI (which is a VW) back in Europe. The oil interval was set at 15000 km. Since I drove a lot of autobahn the shop told me that I could extend the oil change well to 25000 km. Even the manual said that for drivers with many miles. And when they give me advice that makes them lose business, I believe them. It'd be more suspicious if they told me to change the oil more often than the manual says. I always hear that we have severe drivng conditions in Wisconsin. Taht's why we should change the oul more often. What do we have.. Winter and Summer... like everwhere else. We don't live in a dessert nor in Antarctica. Severe driving conditions would be only short distance driving or towing a trailer all the time. And driving 75 mph on the highway is not severe for a car that easily makes 100 mph. I would want to get some real world mileages
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I think it's easier to think of the Mazda3 as filling the gap between the new Civic and the Accord. It is ranked as a compact, the Civic as a subcompact, it has a 2.3 liter engine optimized for power while the Civic has a 1.8 optimized for economy (but both do well in the category, economy and power, for which they are not optimized), and both are probably viewed as "premium" small cars (versus the Focus, for example). It's decent to see both, so you know what you are gaining or compromising. BUT at the end of the day, no matter how many Mazda's get great reviews, I would stick with Honda just due to the vastly greater dealer network, coupled with Honda's war-chest of money to take care of "almost recall" issues. Mazda internally operates on a shoe string and while the warranties are written the same, Honda has much more "discretionary" cash to fix things, especially nits. For example, I had a tiny intermittent c-pillar molding rattle in a Civic Coupe, 2003, that I expected to be ignored (wall job) but they sent a noise technician on an extended test drive until they found it and fixed it - on my first visit back to the dealer. On my Focus ZX3, there is a slight sound of metal flexing/popping when I release the clutch pedal; knowing this is a budget car from Ford, I limited my request to them to confirming nothing was hanging or detached in the clutch lever aread, and told them I could live with the noise so long as a visual inspection didn't indicate anything obvious out of place.Of course if the noise weren't so intermittent, I would ask for and get a repair...but sometimes it's better to realize what segment of the market you are in and accept the good (cheap entry price, great power and handling) and the bad (lack of perfect fit and finish, lack of zero defects). I think likewise, the Honda line is much more a zero defect line than the Mazda, but then the Mazda3 is definitely much more of a enthusiast driver's car than the Civic (excluding the Si).
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Can those who have bought an 06 Sedan EX AT recently post the prices they paid? Also, did anyone purchase the subwoofer as an accessory? I am interested to know their experiences. The specifications state that the Si/ Coupe has a 350 watt 7 speaker system (that includes a subwoofer), whereas the EX sedan has a 160 watt 6 speaker system. Is the addition of the subwoofer the only difference between the two systems? And at USD 300 +, is the subwoofer worth it/ are there better aftermarket options? |
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