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Replying to: accordmq (Oct 26, 2005 11:36 pm) |
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Replying to: mcap56 (Oct 26, 2005 9:33 pm) My only complaint about the '04 is the front seats. I am 5-8 and am still playing with adjustments to be comfortable. The seat (squab I believe the British call it) is severely inclined which might be the reason, and there's no adjustment for that. I've found the best position all the way up and all the way back, with a fairly vertical seatback. Even then to be comfortable, it seems best if I don't press my hips all the way back in the seat. I must eventually get it right because I've taken two long overnight trips in the car. I don't seem to have this complaint in '03, '05, and '06 Civics I've sat in. Anyone else have a problem with the '04 seat? 
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Replying to: andysandiego (Oct 28, 2005 4:48 am) Honda claims to to be ergonomic experts but they seem to blow something very basic i.e. total misplacement of the parking brake this time. |
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Replying to: mcap56 (Oct 28, 2005 9:43 am) As for gas mileage, the new Civic will be better than the previous generations because a) the i-VTEC plays all kinds of games to make the engine more efficient across the board and b) the aerodynamics are somewhat cleaner. In fact, the new 1.8l i-VTEC motor is a marvel in smoothness and efficiency, IMO. The extra weight (not much) will be far-offset by these improvements, plus the weight really does not affect highway mileage anyhow. |
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Replying to: mcap56 (Oct 28, 2005 9:43 am) I have an '06 LX coupe 5sp. on order. Still, I would have liked to see adjustable lumbar support in the new Civics or at least the EX. How expensive can that be? My Integra has and it's a '99.. Maybe because it has the Acura badge and not Honda? Accords have adj. lumbar support, why not the Civic?
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Replying to: only1harry (Oct 28, 2005 12:25 pm)
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Replying to: user1235 (Oct 28, 2005 1:37 pm) |
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today i finally got to drive a sedan with navigation (that was the only MT they had). the sales person was with me, so I couldn't really try the high speed cornering  To see the comparison, i have a Mazda 3 5 door (so, I'm spoiled) and compare it. The Civic has enough room in the rear. I'm 5,11" and sat in front comfortably. Then I sat "behind me" in the left back seat and still had enough room at my knees. that's how I test a car... not with the EPA figures in inches. the car is smooth, but way less powerful than my 2.3 l Mazda. Especially the driving at low rpm is way worse than with the Mazda. (I apologize for comparing to the Mazda.. but that is the car I love and know....). The Mazda can maintain very decent driving at under 2000 rpm and very reasonable acceleration at under 3000 rpm. The Civic needs way more than 2500 for some decent driving. the car only had 25 miles. So it might get better after breaking in. That somehow explains why Honda geared the 5th gear so low..... or why the AT shifts down all the time. the trunk is small, the "hole" to put stuff in is even smaller (again, I'm spoiled with the Mazda...) the civic is more a 2nd or single car (which is my plan for a new car...) than a 2 children-family car. Teh steering wheel seems to be smaller than the Mazda one (again, my aplolgy for bringing in that car I already own), the speedometer is weird.... I suppose you end up with speeding tickets quickly because you end up being too fast. I would like to know about your long distance experience (since I'd miss the lumbar support). not sure if I'd like that. Also the lack of a coolant temperature gauge annoys me (I think of getting an LX MT) and makes it lok cheap. the trunk and interior comes by no means close to the Mazda 3 (See a Mazda 3 and lift the bottom in the trunk and you seee the compartments there, also the little compartment for the tools... then you know what i mean..) also, the sales person told me that there still is a timing belt that has to be replaced. i hoped to get rid of that expensive thing. He also told me, that the maintenance intervals are at 5000 miles now instead of at 10000 miles as they used to be. This somehow lets me think more of getting a second Mazda with a chain and 7500 miles service intervals. Please confirm or correct that. In general, the Civic is not bad, economical (Please provide some more real world MPG numbers) but doesn't reach the Mazda 3. No way. Especially the mini-trunk puts it in another league (which i don't care about cause we have the Mazda to carry stuff  Still deciding which second car for just secondary driving I'll get.. I had a look under the hood. it looks very compact. I suppose repairs get labor intensive..... makes me worry even more about the timing belt (please someone give detail if it has a belt or chain). The sales guy first didn't know if it has a belt or a chain. then he looked under the hood and said it has a belt... don't know how he could see that Before I buy any car I want to try it out on ht ehighway (hopefully wihtout a watchdog salesperson...). but the 140 hp are inflated... well, you have 140 hp at 7000 rpm.... so in the real world at 6000 rpm you only have 120 - 130 hp. the test drive made me think of other options (if MT Corollas with ABS and 6 airbags would actually be available I'd consider that). I"m not that excited anymore.... I'm definitely not in love with the civic... maybe the mileage will convince me....
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Replying to: herrkaleu (Oct 28, 2005 8:06 pm) The new 1.8l has a timing chain, not a belt. Tune up intervals are 100,000 miles+. I do not think that the other maintenance intervals have changed. All Civics have a 'maintenance minder' system standard that monitors total engine revolutions and distance to tell you when you need service (to the best of my knowledge). Check an owners manual for the numbers to be sure. Power is 140 hp  6300 and 128 lb/ft 4300. So you get peak power close to redline. However, these figures are SAE net, rev 8/04 the 'new' procedure for testing. Many models dropped with the new testing procedures, such as the corolla from 130 to 126hp and the RSX from 160 to 151. I think that the 3 would actually be a bit lower if tested by the new procedures. TOV tested an EX coupe on a dyno and it showed that it is actually reading closer to 150-155hp at the crank (136hp 130lb/ft at the hub as tested). Not bad for a 1.8l rated for near 40mpg hwy mileage. The Mazda is sporty, the Civic is economical. Whichever you choose, you'll get a great car.
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Replying to: claudius753 (Oct 28, 2005 10:05 pm) sure, it has a maintanenace minder. But that doesn't help me BEFORE purchasing. I might end up driving a lot, and I don't want to be in the shop all the time to change oil. About the hp numbers..... I'm not sure what to think about htem. Especially when honda sqeezes them out of high rpm. witht he Mazda engine I can assume that the 2.3 l engine doesn't have inflated numbers. but the 1.8 l engine might... anyway, who cares about numbers, i love low rpm cruising and the civic needs rpm to drive. I love to see a chart with tourque over rpm for both the cars. does anyone have a link? I care more about tourque at 1500 - 3000 rpm since thaose are the important rpm. I don't care about hp at 7000 rpm. Can an owner look into the manual to see the maintenance numbers and when oil changes have to be made? I'm sure our dealer (Zimbrick in Madison WI) rips people off with maintenance. A colleague of mine has a 2002 civic and was told the timing belt has to be replaced every 30000 miles
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