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Replying to: 03accordman (Oct 25, 2005 7:53 am) At least take time to read someone's posts before attacking them, OK? |
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Replying to: mldj98 (Oct 25, 2005 8:25 am) And everything you have stated is "nothing but pure facts"? That last comment was a great example of pure fiction. The good reviews, and there have been many of them, on Hyundais started at least five years ago. "Facts" aren't facts just because you say they are. No one is disputing the '06 Civic is at or near the top of its class (well, maybe the Mazda3 fans are...). So let's talk about this fine car! For example, I am looking forward to seeing the IIHS and NHTSA crash test results. It will be interesting to see how Honda's safety engineering and all the safety features on the new Civic have paid off.
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Replying to: user1235 (Oct 24, 2005 2:21 pm) I own a Mazda 3 5-door and think of getting a new Civic as a second car. Clearly, the civic is more economical (cheaper, better mileage..) but no match for the Mazda. Heated seats, Xenon headlights, a real hatchback trunk, more room, 4 wheel disc braks.... the brain goes for the civic, but the heart for the Mazda. Both cars are great, though. In their class. But my Mazda is more comparable to an Accord (Technology, size) but cheaper and has more equippment available. and believe me, once you drove with Xenon headlights you never want to go back to the candle-lights all the other cars offer. Taste is personal though, but when I lok at the Mazda 5-door and see the spacy-lloking civic... Anyway, the civic will probably be the second car because it still is great and economical. Somehow I think when you stick to the 3 Japanese brands honda, Toyota and Mazda you can't be that wrong. All three have pros and cons... but ingeneral their owners are happy. Depends on what you want... whoever compares Hyundai/Kia to the Jap brands.... did you eve have a close look at the body work? No gap is even, nothing is straight... they all look like they were in an accident and got a six-pack-job repair. I don't know about the new Sonata, but the other Korean cars have bad body work. And honestly, Elantra & Co look like they got rear ended.... Well, if the choice was between Hyundai/Kia nad American brands, I'd go for Korea. But when the Japanese cars are available too..... 2000$ price difference don't do it for me. That I easily get back when I sell the Honda.And how often do you need to service a car? the Honda every 10000 miles. The Korean ones every 5000 miles. how often does the 400$ timing belt have to be replaced? every 36000 miles with the hyundai, but only after 110000 miles with the 2005 Honda (Toyota has a chain, I don't know about the 2006 Civic, does that have a chain too?). So, there you spend all the money you thought you saved by byuing a cheap car. and if the price is the only thing you like about the car, then you won't be happy with that for 5 years....
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2005 8:47 am) The new 06 Civic will do just fine....in fact I bet the Civic will get the top grade that NHTSA gives...which is "Good" if I am not mistaken. The "five year ago remark".....I call you on it...take any Hyundai model....doesn't matter....compare it to the same type Honda model....do the 5 year cost of ownership test...see who is the clear winner....I know who it is....and I think you do to....again, pick any model...that's how confident I am in my facts.... how about yours...and one last think....answer my question (if you will) when did Hyundai first start selling it's brand in the U.S.?
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| the Civic is still dwarfed by an Accord. I think it looks bigger than it actually is when you see it by itself, but it did grow a little from the previous generation (in most dimensions). | |
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Replying to: mldj98 (Oct 25, 2005 9:09 am) I will ignore your other remarks because they are off topic and besides, you completely twisted the topic that we were discussing. The year when Hyundai first started selling cars in the U.S. is public record--and is also off our topic here. However, if you insist on the 5-year costs of ownership: '06 Sonata GLS V6: $.50/mile - $2,130 addt'l rebates/tax savings = $.47/mile '05 Accord LX V6: $.46/mile Unfortunately, Edmunds.com hasn't published the 5-year costs for the '06 Accord yet. So let's adjust the '05 costs for the increased TMV price of the '06 vs. the '05: $21,555 for the '05 vs. $25,440 for the '06. Also add sales tax (6.5% for me) on that difference, which adds $4138, or $.055 cents a mile to the costs of the Accord. So the comparison of the '06 Sonata to the comparable Honda is $.47/mile for the Hyundai vs. $.515 for the Honda. Can we stop this Hyundai bashing now and focus on the Civic?
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2005 10:01 am) By the way....your comparing a TMV price for an outgoing model....which has incentives on it to a brand new model.....sounds like fuzzy math to me..... That's like comparing the outgoing Accent model TMV to the re-designed model (when it comes out)....doesn't make sense. And your right....I'm done with you.....every single post that has been made between these two models all point in the same direction....Honda is a better car, in all areas period! You only respond to the things that you think will hold weight! Back to the Civic.... And to answer my own question...Hyundai's first car sold in the U.S. was in 1986! You would think after 20 years....they would be allot closer to Honda/Toyota! Wishful thinking!
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Replying to: 03accordman (Oct 25, 2005 7:53 am) You really dismiss and minimize that point. Most people shopping Accords and Sonatas are slightly more price sensitive than those shopping BMWs and Ferraris. The point of the review is to show what you could get for a certain price point. Some people have a limit on what they want to spend. |
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Replying to: mldj98 (Oct 25, 2005 10:29 am) The "five year ago remark".....I call you on it...take any Hyundai model....doesn't matter....compare it to the same type Honda model....do the 5 year cost of ownership test...see who is the clear winner....I know who it is....and I think you do to....again, pick any model...that's how confident I am in my facts.... how about yours I did exactly what you challenged me to do. I can't help it if you don't like the results. As for the math, I was very clear in the adjustments I made to make up for the lack of 5-year cost estimates for the '06 Accord, and for the rebates that Edmunds.com didn't credit for the Sonata. It is amazing how far Hyundai has come in just 20 years, especially their progress in the past five years. |
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Replying to: herrkaleu (Oct 25, 2005 8:51 am) Apparently, you haven't done a side-by-side comparison of 2005-2006 versions of these cars. First of all, I'm not beholden to any of the marques, i.e. Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Subaru, or Toyota. I seriously looked at the 2005 Civic prior to the new generation's launch, and compared the exterior fit and finish to other brands, including the Hyundai Elantra and Kia Spectra. I also did the same on the 2005-2006 Accord, 2005-2006 Toyota Camry, and 2006 Hyundai Sonata. From scrutinizing each, the exterior body panel alignment, seams, sheetmetal crease lines, etc., the Korean marques were every bit as good as either the Honda or Toyota, and in some examples (or more specifically, samples viewed) better. This does not imply one is better than the other, simply visual inspection of the exterior body fit. Early Korean cars were not of good quality - I will certainly grant you that -, but in many respects, neither were the Honda and Toyotas of the '60's and early '70s. I know because I had the unfortunate luck of owning them. |
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