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Honda Civic Sedan 2006

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mldj98 by bottgers
Oct 25, 2005 (4:08 am)
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But that can't be. Didn't you read the tests Edmunds and C/D did stating the Korean cars are clearly superior?
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backy by bottgers
Oct 25, 2005 (4:12 am)
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Honda fans have every right to get upset when people make ridiculous claims such as Korean cars are better than, as good as, or even close to as good as a Honda because it simply isn't true. It's kind of like the left wingers claiming Bush was in on 9/11.
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Re: backy [bottgers] by backy
Oct 25, 2005 (4:53 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Oct 25, 2005 4:12 am)

Keep in mind that these people making "ridiculous claims" about Korean cars being better than/as good as/close to as good as Hondas are people like the editors of Edmunds.com and the editors of C/D. It's also people like me who have actually owned Hondas, Toyotas, and Hyundais for many years and have a first-hand perspective of what it's like to live with and drive them over a long period of time.
 
Maybe you and others who think these claims are ridiculous should stop bashing Hyundais, go write your protest emails to Edmunds.com, C/D, and other third parties that are making these claims, and let us get back to talking about the '06 Civic.
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Re: The best marketing strategy.... [backy] by chidoro
Oct 25, 2005 (5:08 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2005 7:01 pm)

My, Honda fans get riled up about Hyundais. Perhaps it's because the thought of someone buying a very good car, maybe one as good as a Honda, but for thousands less than they paid for their Honda, is a tough idea to swallow. But then, I'm a Honda fan also. Owned two Civics and loved both of them. But when it comes down to paying several thousand dollars more for a trapezoidal H emblem vs. an elipitcal H emblem, and getting a car that fits my needs better than the Honda, it's an easy decision.

 
You can be sure the designers at Honda don't take Hyundai as lightly as some of the posters here to be sure. As Hyundai cars stay on the road longer and longer, their reputation for long term reliability will grow. If they can't stay on the road as commuter cars for 10-15 years and 200k+ miles, their reputation won't grow. But that takes time obviously and we'll need another 5 or so years to see if that happens. Funny thing is, once their reputation grows, their bargain pricing days will over.
 
Honda fired their salvo, and while I haven't had a chance to drive it yet, it looks like a good one. I too am interested in what the next Elantra looks like since it's been six years since the last one already. You can bet Honda is interested as well.
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Re: backy [backy] by mldj98
Oct 25, 2005 (5:15 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2005 4:53 am)

I agree with you... let's talk about the 06 Civic.... not the Hyundais..... yet I believe your the one who brought it up.... this is the 06 Civic forum.... not the 06 Civic vs whatever forum.... but since you brought up the C/D and Edmunds editors.... take a look at the 5 year ownership stats on these cars..... which one do you think is the worst of them all? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....this isn't rocket science!
I see that you want to give props to the Korean cars when it suits you.... but when valid points are made (about resale, reliability, 5 year ownership costs, safety issues, etc, etc, the list goes on.....) you have no comments. I don't care which magazine you read, what web page, or any media you read....in the end they read the same way....Honda, Toyota....outstanding.....Korean cars....making progress....but??? That's why I said before, unless H & T's fall off the face of the earth....Korean cars will not match them in tech, resale, reliability, etc....at least not in our lifetime.....
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Re: backy [mldj98] by bamacar
Oct 25, 2005 (5:26 am)
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Replying to: mldj98 (Oct 25, 2005 5:15 am)

That sounds like what they said about Toyota and Honda in the late 60's and early 70's. Junk cars that could never compete with Ford and Chevy. What happened? Better quality and reliability in less than 10 years, and market leadership in 30 years. All in many peoples' lifetimes. Hyundai may very well surpass Toyota and Honda in the next 5-10 years in reliability and take over sales leadership in 10-30 years. How old are you?
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Re: backy [mldj98] by backy
Oct 25, 2005 (5:53 am)
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Replying to: mldj98 (Oct 25, 2005 5:15 am)

Actually it was bottgers who started this thread (2618):
 
Oh BTW, Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki, and the other companies can stop comparing their insignificant recyclemobiles to the new Civic. As ridiculous as it was that they compared their cars to the previous gen Civic, it would be absolutely hidious to compare to the new one. The new Civic is simply in a different league than any of their vehicles.
 
I have lots to say about the resale, reliability, ownership costs etc., but this isn't the place for it. If you want to continue to bash Hyundais here instead of talking about Civics, be my guest.
 
curtc, I faced the same decision you did, Elantra GT vs. others, but since the Civic didn't come in a 5-door (and the GT was fully loaded with leather etc. for $13k), it was a very easy decision in favor of the GT for me.
 
chidro and bamacar, I appreciate your thoughtful comments, but let's get back to the Civic and let the Hyundai-bashers carry on if they want to.
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honda/ hyundai + resale+perception by rutger3
Oct 25, 2005 (6:03 am)
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I own a camry, have never owned a honda or hyundai, but here is my take. Hondas make dependable cars with great resale value. Hyundai has improved dramatically and should not be discounted. If you put a blindfold on and were a passenger in each car, the average consumer would be hard pressed to notice the difference. The problem is that most people have a perception that Hondas are better than Hyundais ,and based on history they are right. The gap has narrowed considerably but the perception with the general public has not and in resale value perception is reality. After 2 -6 years the money you save on the hyundai when new will be given back at resale. Unless you keep cars for 8-10 yrs and 150-200k miles, it is an issue to be considered. When you trade in a hyundai, you will not be happy with what you get. You can pay more now, or get more later, the choice is yours. The hyundais will become great values when resale values increase. BTW, my previous camry a 99 had 180k on it when an engine rod blew. I still got $1500 from a car recycler for it. If this was a Sonata, probably lucky to get $200.
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Re: backy [backy] by 03accordman
Oct 25, 2005 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2005 4:53 am)

CD never said the Sonata is better than an Accord. Never.
 
Edmunds chose to compare 4 cyl camcords v/s a 6 cyl Sonata, just for the fact that their pricing was similar. By that logic, BMWs would be the world's worst cars, and never win any comparos. I am waiting for the 10Best issue for CD, let's see if the improved Sonata can finally dethrone the Accord off that list.
 
IMO, Hyundai definitely has stepped up a few notches, and I am sure Hon/Toy will be watching them more than any other manufacturer. Even the Azera is getting rave reviews, and this competition just makes things better for us consumers.
 
I guess I am off topic, so will back off now.

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