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Re: The best marketing strategy.... [backy] by mldj98
Oct 24, 2005 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2005 11:37 am)

When it comes right down to it......it is all about the numbers....period....
Honda's will always out sale Hyundais.... especially in the near future....I will be the first to admit that Hyundais have made fairly good progress in the quality of their cars.... but c'mon....they are not even in the same class as Honda and Toyota's....
So unless Honda and Toyota fall off the face of the earth.... Hyundais will never catch them in total sales... for any model... period! Hyundai has a long warranty right? Well take a close look at what is covered under that warranty and you will be surprised when you take it to the dealership for the tenth time in one year and hear those famous words...."Oh, that's not covered under warranty"....so what good is a 10 year warranty if it covers nothing....and if you want proof...come talk to my neighbor who has one....his so called SUV spents more time in the shop then he does driving it! So if I was a bettin' man....and in this case I would be....I would bet that Honda out sells Hyundai in any model....period! And if you did a long term test...oh let's say 5 years.....which car....the Civic, Accent, or Rio do you think would spend the most time in the shop? Which car do you think would maintain it's resale value the most? One last thing....any Honda salesman would not care one bit if you went to the Hyundai Dealer...because their product is proven...the other...not so much! So by all means...stroll over and buy your Accent, Rio....doesn't matter what year....hell, wait for the remodel....bottom line...when I am driving my Honda product down the road trouble free....I will see your car in the repair stall...while you are in the waiting room sipping a diet soda...
good luck...and happy motoring!
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Re: The best marketing strategy.... [mldj98] by backy
Oct 24, 2005 (7:01 pm)
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Replying to: mldj98 (Oct 24, 2005 6:13 pm)

My, Honda fans get riled up about Hyundais. Perhaps it's because the thought of someone buying a very good car, maybe one as good as a Honda, but for thousands less than they paid for their Honda, is a tough idea to swallow. But then, I'm a Honda fan also. Owned two Civics and loved both of them. But when it comes down to paying several thousand dollars more for a trapezoidal H emblem vs. an elipitcal H emblem, and getting a car that fits my needs better than the Honda, it's an easy decision.
 
GM, Ford and DC outsell Honda, but I don't think their cars are better than Hondas.
 
I admit, though, I had to have one of my Hyundais in the shop just today. (No diet soda, though--the dealer drove me home and I came back later to pick it up.) It's five years old, so things are bound to start falling apart on the thing, right? Anyway, I had to have the oil changed (the darn stuff wore out, can you imagine that!?!?) and they replaced one of the rear license plate lights. That bum bulb is enough right there to make me ditch that loser of a car and get a Honda!
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Re: If you paid $19.5 for civic EX you should know [dwatwd] by kknowles
Oct 24, 2005 (7:33 pm)
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Replying to: dwatwd (Oct 24, 2005 4:50 pm)

I have an 06 LX Civic coupe and my wife has a Mazda 3s GT. Both are good cars, but the Honda is better in things that count to me. For one thing, my Honda cost $3,400 less than the Mazda, and the only thing it lacks that I care about is aluminum wheels, which is about a $500 fix. I find that the Mazda has a lot of extras (xenon headlights, heated seats you have to turn off in 60 seconds because they are overwhelming) that make little difference in everyday driving.
 
Honda is better for:
   Smoother, quieter engine! (not quite as fast, but close enough, especially given the superior smoothness)
   Superior mileage. (important for commuting 20K + per year)
   Comfort. The seats are much better, especially in the longer length of the seat bottoms (Mazda's are too short). The ride is also smoother. Yes, this is at the expense of handling -- but the overall combination is better.
   Instrumentation. both take some getting used to. I find the Mazda's boy-racer dash with bright red lights annoying, and the counterclockwise-rotated speedometer is very busy and dificult to read. (40 mph is about where 5 mph is on a normal speedo). No one will argue that the Honda speedo is difficult. Mazda audio and AC controls are not easy. Honda's are.
   Stereo. Both are good. Honda's is better. Whatshisname goes on and on about the 6-disc Mazda changer, but my Honda plays MP3 discs (standard on cheaper LX, extra cost on top-end Mazda). I can burn 10 full albums on one CD, and change from one album to the next in about two seonds. No changer can do that.
 
Mazda is clearly faster, and the handling is fantastic. It corners like it's on rails.
That's just not what I need for mostly highway driving.
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Re: The best marketing strategy.... [backy] by mldj98
Oct 25, 2005 (2:50 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2005 7:01 pm)

Let's see....
GM, Ford, DC outsell Honda..... your right! Where is Hyundai on that list.... oh that's right..... right above suzuki....
By the way... what is the #1 selling car in America?? Could it be a Ford??....no...Could it be a GM product??no.... Could it be a Hyundai??.... Let's get real!!! Could it be the Toyota Camry or the Honda Accord? (These guys go back and forth all the time... although the Camry has the edge). I wonder why that is?
Could it be that both models have a solid reputation with plenty of proof all over the place to back it up??? The Accord making the 10 best list for 19 years in a row??
Those darn Honda products don't deserve that big "H" on front and back of their cars.... they need to remove them ASAP!!! And just for giggles....step on over to the "Real World Trade In Value" page and scroll around until you find where someone was asking the "great car god" Terry about trading in their 2005 Honda Accord for a 2006 Hyundai Sonata.....then take a look at his response...point blank and to the point....
By the way....after they replace that light bulb....and change out that darn oil that seems to be wearing out all the time....place that bad boy in the local classified ad....it will fall under the entire row of other Hyundais people are trying to unload....
And see what you get for it....of course if I had my choice....I would bypass your Hyundai and head straight for Starbucks for a cup of joe....which by the way are worth the same amount.....Happy Motoring....................
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mldj98 by bottgers
Oct 25, 2005 (4:08 am)
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But that can't be. Didn't you read the tests Edmunds and C/D did stating the Korean cars are clearly superior?
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backy by bottgers
Oct 25, 2005 (4:12 am)
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Honda fans have every right to get upset when people make ridiculous claims such as Korean cars are better than, as good as, or even close to as good as a Honda because it simply isn't true. It's kind of like the left wingers claiming Bush was in on 9/11.
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Re: backy [bottgers] by backy
Oct 25, 2005 (4:53 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Oct 25, 2005 4:12 am)

Keep in mind that these people making "ridiculous claims" about Korean cars being better than/as good as/close to as good as Hondas are people like the editors of Edmunds.com and the editors of C/D. It's also people like me who have actually owned Hondas, Toyotas, and Hyundais for many years and have a first-hand perspective of what it's like to live with and drive them over a long period of time.
 
Maybe you and others who think these claims are ridiculous should stop bashing Hyundais, go write your protest emails to Edmunds.com, C/D, and other third parties that are making these claims, and let us get back to talking about the '06 Civic.
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Re: The best marketing strategy.... [backy] by chidoro
Oct 25, 2005 (5:08 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2005 7:01 pm)

My, Honda fans get riled up about Hyundais. Perhaps it's because the thought of someone buying a very good car, maybe one as good as a Honda, but for thousands less than they paid for their Honda, is a tough idea to swallow. But then, I'm a Honda fan also. Owned two Civics and loved both of them. But when it comes down to paying several thousand dollars more for a trapezoidal H emblem vs. an elipitcal H emblem, and getting a car that fits my needs better than the Honda, it's an easy decision.

 
You can be sure the designers at Honda don't take Hyundai as lightly as some of the posters here to be sure. As Hyundai cars stay on the road longer and longer, their reputation for long term reliability will grow. If they can't stay on the road as commuter cars for 10-15 years and 200k+ miles, their reputation won't grow. But that takes time obviously and we'll need another 5 or so years to see if that happens. Funny thing is, once their reputation grows, their bargain pricing days will over.
 
Honda fired their salvo, and while I haven't had a chance to drive it yet, it looks like a good one. I too am interested in what the next Elantra looks like since it's been six years since the last one already. You can bet Honda is interested as well.
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Re: backy [backy] by mldj98
Oct 25, 2005 (5:15 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2005 4:53 am)

I agree with you... let's talk about the 06 Civic.... not the Hyundais..... yet I believe your the one who brought it up.... this is the 06 Civic forum.... not the 06 Civic vs whatever forum.... but since you brought up the C/D and Edmunds editors.... take a look at the 5 year ownership stats on these cars..... which one do you think is the worst of them all? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....this isn't rocket science!
I see that you want to give props to the Korean cars when it suits you.... but when valid points are made (about resale, reliability, 5 year ownership costs, safety issues, etc, etc, the list goes on.....) you have no comments. I don't care which magazine you read, what web page, or any media you read....in the end they read the same way....Honda, Toyota....outstanding.....Korean cars....making progress....but??? That's why I said before, unless H & T's fall off the face of the earth....Korean cars will not match them in tech, resale, reliability, etc....at least not in our lifetime.....
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Re: backy [mldj98] by bamacar
Oct 25, 2005 (5:26 am)
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Replying to: mldj98 (Oct 25, 2005 5:15 am)

That sounds like what they said about Toyota and Honda in the late 60's and early 70's. Junk cars that could never compete with Ford and Chevy. What happened? Better quality and reliability in less than 10 years, and market leadership in 30 years. All in many peoples' lifetimes. Hyundai may very well surpass Toyota and Honda in the next 5-10 years in reliability and take over sales leadership in 10-30 years. How old are you?

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