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backy by bottgers
Oct 24, 2005 (1:22 pm)
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Maybe, but it doesn't take an automotive expert or a long test drive to realize the Japanese cars are clearly superior.
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Re: The best marketing strategy.... [backy] by micweb
Oct 24, 2005 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2005 11:37 am)

I think a lot of consumers will just buy a car off the first or second dealer lot they walk onto, it has nothing to do with the make or quality. I think dealers and their sales people learn Jedi mind-tricks that reduce the ability of the average American shopper to say "no" to nearly zero. That's why the dealers generally badmouth every other make, unless it's another dealer with the same franchise, in which case they bad mouth the dealer.
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Re: backy [bottgers] by backy
Oct 24, 2005 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: bottgers (Oct 24, 2005 1:22 pm)

You mean like the recent one-week test Edmunds.com did where they rated the Sonata clearly superior over its Japanese competition? Or the big small-car comparo C/D did, when they rated the '02 Elantra over the '02 Civic and called the Civic "a loser"? It's not so clear anymore, is it? The new Civic is one of the top cars in its class, but I can't wait to see what the all-new Elantra is like when it comes out next year.
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Re: If you paid $19.5 for civic EX you should know [6spdtl] by user1235
Oct 24, 2005 (2:21 pm)
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Replying to: 6spdtl (Oct 24, 2005 10:58 am)

I didn't mean to say Mazda 3 and Honda Civic look alike at all. The Mazda is a classic beauty while the civic sedan is...well lets just call it a duckling:
 

 
And no, the "inside packaging" of the civic is not much better, on the contrary, mazda 3 especially the grand touring has a lot more upscale interior: chrome accents, bose audio, heated leather seats, neon illuminated gauges, leather wrapped sterring wheel, 6 cd in dash changer.
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Re: If you paid $19.5 for civic EX you should know [user1235] by fordfocus
Oct 24, 2005 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: user1235 (Oct 24, 2005 2:21 pm)

duckling into swan:
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Re: Dyno Testing HP on Coupe [micweb] by fordfocus
Oct 24, 2005 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: micweb (Oct 24, 2005 8:37 am)

output is different than driveability. useability vs ratings, but it's arguably not midline compared to Mazda 2.0, but yes, it's off topic.
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Re: If you paid $19.5 for civic EX you should know [user1235] by dwatwd
Oct 24, 2005 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: user1235 (Oct 24, 2005 2:21 pm)

What Others
Are Paying (2006 Mazda 3 S Grand Touring)
  
  MSRP Invoice
National Base Price
A note about advertising fees $19,165 $17,935 $18,841
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code Change - - $53
Optional Equipment $2,325 $2,035 $2,261
   2MC Moonroof, 6-CD Package & Bose Audio Package $1,335 $1,148 $1,294
   AT2 5-Speed Sport A/T $950 $855 $929
   WLK Wheel Locks $40 $32 $38
Color Adjustment - - $0
  Sunlight Silver Metallic
  Destination Charge $560 $560 $560
Total with Options $22,050 $20,530 $21,715
 
21,715 That's what it costs. So for $2,215 more....you can get Xenon lamps and leather seats. (I threw in the wheel locks cause I got mine at No Charge.)
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Re: The best marketing strategy.... [backy] by mldj98
Oct 24, 2005 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2005 11:37 am)

When it comes right down to it......it is all about the numbers....period....
Honda's will always out sale Hyundais.... especially in the near future....I will be the first to admit that Hyundais have made fairly good progress in the quality of their cars.... but c'mon....they are not even in the same class as Honda and Toyota's....
So unless Honda and Toyota fall off the face of the earth.... Hyundais will never catch them in total sales... for any model... period! Hyundai has a long warranty right? Well take a close look at what is covered under that warranty and you will be surprised when you take it to the dealership for the tenth time in one year and hear those famous words...."Oh, that's not covered under warranty"....so what good is a 10 year warranty if it covers nothing....and if you want proof...come talk to my neighbor who has one....his so called SUV spents more time in the shop then he does driving it! So if I was a bettin' man....and in this case I would be....I would bet that Honda out sells Hyundai in any model....period! And if you did a long term test...oh let's say 5 years.....which car....the Civic, Accent, or Rio do you think would spend the most time in the shop? Which car do you think would maintain it's resale value the most? One last thing....any Honda salesman would not care one bit if you went to the Hyundai Dealer...because their product is proven...the other...not so much! So by all means...stroll over and buy your Accent, Rio....doesn't matter what year....hell, wait for the remodel....bottom line...when I am driving my Honda product down the road trouble free....I will see your car in the repair stall...while you are in the waiting room sipping a diet soda...
good luck...and happy motoring!
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Re: The best marketing strategy.... [mldj98] by backy
Oct 24, 2005 (7:01 pm)
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Replying to: mldj98 (Oct 24, 2005 6:13 pm)

My, Honda fans get riled up about Hyundais. Perhaps it's because the thought of someone buying a very good car, maybe one as good as a Honda, but for thousands less than they paid for their Honda, is a tough idea to swallow. But then, I'm a Honda fan also. Owned two Civics and loved both of them. But when it comes down to paying several thousand dollars more for a trapezoidal H emblem vs. an elipitcal H emblem, and getting a car that fits my needs better than the Honda, it's an easy decision.
 
GM, Ford and DC outsell Honda, but I don't think their cars are better than Hondas.
 
I admit, though, I had to have one of my Hyundais in the shop just today. (No diet soda, though--the dealer drove me home and I came back later to pick it up.) It's five years old, so things are bound to start falling apart on the thing, right? Anyway, I had to have the oil changed (the darn stuff wore out, can you imagine that!?!?) and they replaced one of the rear license plate lights. That bum bulb is enough right there to make me ditch that loser of a car and get a Honda!
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Re: If you paid $19.5 for civic EX you should know [dwatwd] by kknowles
Oct 24, 2005 (7:33 pm)
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Replying to: dwatwd (Oct 24, 2005 4:50 pm)

I have an 06 LX Civic coupe and my wife has a Mazda 3s GT. Both are good cars, but the Honda is better in things that count to me. For one thing, my Honda cost $3,400 less than the Mazda, and the only thing it lacks that I care about is aluminum wheels, which is about a $500 fix. I find that the Mazda has a lot of extras (xenon headlights, heated seats you have to turn off in 60 seconds because they are overwhelming) that make little difference in everyday driving.
 
Honda is better for:
   Smoother, quieter engine! (not quite as fast, but close enough, especially given the superior smoothness)
   Superior mileage. (important for commuting 20K + per year)
   Comfort. The seats are much better, especially in the longer length of the seat bottoms (Mazda's are too short). The ride is also smoother. Yes, this is at the expense of handling -- but the overall combination is better.
   Instrumentation. both take some getting used to. I find the Mazda's boy-racer dash with bright red lights annoying, and the counterclockwise-rotated speedometer is very busy and dificult to read. (40 mph is about where 5 mph is on a normal speedo). No one will argue that the Honda speedo is difficult. Mazda audio and AC controls are not easy. Honda's are.
   Stereo. Both are good. Honda's is better. Whatshisname goes on and on about the 6-disc Mazda changer, but my Honda plays MP3 discs (standard on cheaper LX, extra cost on top-end Mazda). I can burn 10 full albums on one CD, and change from one album to the next in about two seonds. No changer can do that.
 
Mazda is clearly faster, and the handling is fantastic. It corners like it's on rails.
That's just not what I need for mostly highway driving.

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