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Honda Civic, Sedan
#2023 of 4597 Civic Si price.
Sep 23, 2005 (7:07 am)
The civic Si will be less than 20K figure 1999 . Navigation costs around 2K in other Honda models. Therefore a Nav Si will be around 22K. About milage, Hybrids match the highway MPG very well, all cars do. The significant shortfall is in city driving. Toyota's hybrids fall short by way the largest margin, their hybrid system was specifically designed to ace the EPA city loop, however, the city loop EPA test is completely off the planet compared to how real city driving is. In real city driving pure battery driving is hardly ever achieved, furthernore regenaration is very limited, thus the huge disparity between the toyota system estimated EPA and actual MPG. The Honda hybrid system doesn't rely on battery only driving for its city estimate thus its city estimate error is much lower than toyotas.
#2024 of 4597 Re: awesome info guys [stupidfool]
Sep 23, 2005 (7:10 am)
Is there any way your mom could hold out for a few weeks or so? Personally, unless it was a Ferrari or something, I wouldn't pay a deposit to take a test drive. It just goes against my beliefs about the way you do business. Dealers are certainly capitalizing on the excitement people have about this new Civic. I'm sure the deposit tactic helps deter joyriders, though.
I'd tell them that I will not pay a deposit to test drive. I'll be there the day the car arrives and expect to drive it. If they won't agree to that, hold out for a while if you can. In a month or so every dealer is going to have Civics in stock and discounts may even be possible. Patience is the key.
#2025 of 4597 Re: Civic Si price. [6spdtl]
Sep 23, 2005 (7:12 am)
The Nav system on the EX is only adding $1,500. FYI.
#2027 of 4597 Touchy clutch
Sep 23, 2005 (8:17 am)
The comment made in that USA today article about the touchy clutch is a complaint I've had since my first civic (1996). It takes a bit of time to get used to the "last-minute" engagement of the civic clutch, especially when coming from just about any other manual. I don't know, maybe this is good for really sporty driving, but for stop and go, it sucks.
I guess typical civic drivers must like it because I'm the only one complaing
#2028 of 4597 Re: A thought on the Civics value [midnightcowboy]
Sep 23, 2005 (9:46 am)
MidCow, hope you are OK down there in Houston.
(Sorry for off-topic post--hard to think of cars at this time. My best friend and his family live southeast of Houston.)
#2029 of 4597 Re: Touchy clutch [fdanna] and height/susp. difference
Sep 23, 2005 (10:08 am)
That's funny, I liked my '97 Civic's clutch better than my '01's. I thought the '97 had a perfect clutch. The '97 never jerked when changing gears and it shifted very smoothly (autoweek said back in '96/97 it was buttery smooth..).
I don't feel the same way for my '01. My '01 has a more touchy clutch and it's a little jerky at times. I stalled it several times in the first week or two after I bought it. I 've never stalled any of my cars before! I know it's not me because I 've been driving a stick since 1982. I got used to the '01 's clutch but I feel the shifter is still not as good or accurate as the '97's (it's not bad though) and according to the USA Today article it doesn't look like the '06s are either.
One thing this article confirmed for me is the fact that the coupes have firmer springs and shocks with bigger sway bars. That is what I wanted to hear. Also the height difference of 3" (!!) between the Coupe and Sedan, tells me that the coupes might be sitting 1/2 inch lower to the ground (I hope) because I can't see all 3" accounting to more headroom, unless the Coupe's windshield is more aggressively angled which looks like it from the small pics in the USA Today article.
#2030 of 4597 Re: Touchy clutch [fdanna]
Sep 23, 2005 (10:47 am)
You are not the only one complaining I really dislike the clutch on my 04. You have to let it up almost all the way before the gears engage. In traffic, it feels like you knee is up in your chest all day. It also requires you to push through far more of the range with the full resistance of the clutch engaged. The only thing that saves you is the light feel. You may not see many outright complaints but you will see a lot of posts that complain about the clutch being too high or the stroke too long. In reality it isn't any higher or longer. It just feels that way because it won't engage until you are at the top.
#2031 of 4597 Re: Touchy clutch [mcap56]
Sep 23, 2005 (11:54 am)
Very accurate statements about the clutch.
It doesn't get any better. With 156k on the odo, my '01 EX still shifts the same with the exception that the clutch now grabs a little higher. The more worn out it gets the higher your knee will go but I didn't notice it grabbing higher up until 120-130k mi. It 's very gradual and you probably won't notice it at all. I really don't have a problem with it and got used to it very quickly.
BTW, I forgot to mention that as your g7 Civic (or any Civic) gets broken in and the miles pass, the shifts get smoother and everything because the bushings wear out and are more flexible as well as the tranny mounts, etc. When a car is new sometimes we misinterpret new/stiff bushings and mounts, as "jerky" and such, like when shifting for example. The clutch disc, flwheel, and pressure plate, as well as the gear box (tranny) and your shift linkage, all go through a break-in periord. That period is actually about 10-15k mi.
As everything gets broken in (motor, tranny & clutch), and softer and flexible as in the case with suspension bushings, rubber motor & tranny mounts, the tolerance levels get higher, movement of parts increases, etc. so some of the "jerking" goes away and your car seems to shift easier and smoother. It's because it's not as "tight" as it was when it was new and the parts have settled in and have adjusted to the forces exerted on them.
However the jerking might return after 120k or 130k or so miles when the motor mounts and tranny mounts get excessively worn out (sprited driving and drag racing at the light causes them to crack and fail prematurely), as well as the control arm bushings. When just lifting from the throttle now, usually in 3d or 4th, the car has started to do a quick jerk back and forth. One of the tranny mounts is fubar. I have already replaced 2 of the 5 motor mounts because the car wanted to change lanes everytime I floored it. But racing-like behavior on the streets with an econo-car will do this, and you 'll find yourself in the shop paying $150-200 for a single motor mount (the motor's larger torque mounts can cost $100 just for 1 of them, smaller ones are less) or $250+ for 2 bad ones. Luckily that's all I had to pay for so far and it's because of my lead foot. The dealer was trying to tell me it was torque steer at first. I said "really, how many low torque 127hp cars have you seen jerk a foot or more to the side when hitting the gas?" Then the service manager came out and said he just drove it, and it was defititely too much pull for torque steer so they put it on the lift and proved me right. They never cease to amaze me how ignorant these service advisors are, or how much they lie, because they thought I had an ext. warranty and probably didn't want to do any of the work.
#2032 of 4597 Just bought my new Civic EX
Sep 23, 2005 (12:31 pm)
I picked up a 06 Civic EX 5spd non nav in Galaxy Grey yesterday. I bought it for $500 over invoice. Invoice was $17,241 and I was out the door for $17,741. The sticker was $18,800. It was my local dealer and the first civic they had gotten in. They threw in a few oil changes and offer "tires for life" on all the new cars they sell.
As with any new car I buy, I made them add the clause "Any parts, accessories, or extended warranties at dealer cost." Always be sure to have the GM or salesmanager sign this on your bill of sale.
I bought it for a commuter/daily driver and I've got about 200 miles on it so far. My initial impressions are very good.
The car is roomy and solid. It handles tightly and understeer is built in. The suspension is very compliant and I dare say rides as well as the accord. I'm 6' 1" and 220 and the civic offers a comfy if intimate cabin. There is lots of legroom and just enough headroom even with the sunroof. The tilting and telescoping steering wheel is great. It gives you a couple of inches to make your seating position "just right". The large dead pedel is excellent. The seats are larger and more supportive than previous civics and the faux suede cloth is very grippy. The sunroof is larger than previous models although it still doesn't open all the way. The new two tier dash takes a lil getting used to but the blue glow and digital display on the EX is very cool. The 350 watt stereo is great!! Purists will say is lacks midrange clarity and the bass is a tad muddy but it is a great system overall. 6 disc changers are the norm nowadays but my experience is that they are slow and I forget what's in the changer. Now I just make a MIX CD full of .mp3s and let the tunes roll. The mini-din input for a portable player is excellent. My 92 Talon Tsi had this feature but back then, walkmans were the standard instead of Ipods. The trunk is spacious and the 60/40 split rear seats will come in handy. All I need now is a set of all weather trunk and floor mats.
The engine is smooth and willing and the additional torque is welcome. The throttle by wire is a tad slow compared to brands such as BMW but it still responds well for daily use. This engine is easily the best SOHC engine I've seen from honda. 30/38mpg puts a smile on my face all day long. The tranny is smooth with short throws and maybe just a hint of notchiness. Honda simply builds the best shifting cable operated manuals I've ever driven.
COMPLAINTS and PEEVS
*sunroof needs to open all the way
*emergency brake lever rubs my knee and might be an issue for taller drivers. I plan to add some padding.
*the instrument cluster is futuristic and simple while the dash (non nav) is complicated and busy.
*the speaker grills look cheap. I hope someone makes some nice replacements
*the fog light covers gotta go, fog light should be standard on the EX anyway
Anyway, that's all for now... see you on the highway