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Honda Civic, Sedan
#1836 of 4597 Re: Drove an 06 Civic Ex Auto 4 Door today [blueiedgod]
Sep 20, 2005 (6:57 am)
I shifted at 6000 rpm's, just like they do in the magazines. I read an article about the road tests in Car and Driver back in 1990. I never look at the owner's manual and shift at those speeds in there. I don't know what owner's manual you looked at but there aren't any that tell you to take it to 60 miles an hour in 3rd gear.
How often have you beat the times in the magazines without taking the car past redline? The auto magazines don't take the cars to redline. If the power peaks at 6000 rpm then why would you take it further? Your power would drop. The only reason to do that would be if you are very close...my old LX hit maximum power at about 56 or 58 miles an hour (can't recall...I sold it almost eight years ago). So one time I went against the methods used by Car and Driver and took it all the way to 60 in second gear.
I've beaten the old Prelude and once beat a Mustang GT in my Accord V-6 auto, both cars which should have easily taken me. They didn't...they couldn't. I think I did that two or three times shortly after I bought my Accord just to see how it compared. I don't normally race but I was curious when I first bought my car and I was very impressed with the results.
I rarely ground gears with my old cars, but on occasion, when I was pushing it to the limit and trying to clutch and shift as fast as possible, I'd slip. In normal driving I didn't grind gears.
So are you an experienced driver? How many people on this forum can honestly say they matched or beat what the big car magazines do with a manual transmission? Try beating Car and Driver. There is a huge difference just between the times of the big magazines. I've seen a second difference between Car & Driver and Road & Track on the same car at the same time. I saw a 1996 Honda Civic EX turn in a 7.9 0-60 in Car & Driver and in Road & Track it took 9.1 seconds. So which driver was inexperienced, and if so, why was he working for Road & Track if he was so lousy?
Your argument doesn't hold up.
I drove a 1993 Accord 4-door with an automatic and a small 125 horsepower engine...a lousy power to weight ratio. I routinely did 0-60 in the 8's and low 9's. Remember...this is a 2900 pound car with an engine weaker than the old Civics, and with a 4-speed automatic. How could this be? I always do multiple tests on the same stretch of road in opposite directions and then take the average times.
I think there are very few drivers who can ring out full power with a manual tranny, and even then they have to do it at a test track under controlled conditions. For real-world performance in everyday life, I'd pick a good automatic over a stick shift.
#1837 of 4597 Re: Invoice vs MSRP [heejoman]
Sep 20, 2005 (7:00 am)
The S2000 was overpriced to begin with. I've ridden in one...I would never ever buy one of those for normal driving. Besides that, the original ones were only marginally faster than the Preludes and cost almost twice as much.
#1838 of 4597 Re: WHERE THE HOOD [disappoited]
Sep 20, 2005 (7:00 am)
Apparently this world is accustomed to driving cars where the hood isn't visible. Does that make us "mental", as you say? Perhaps you don't drive often enough to get accustomed to where your hood stops. Park next to a shiny car at a parking lot and look at it when pulling up to a curb or little boy, or whatever you like. That's what I did when I was 15, and I learned how close I could park within a week of driving (parked about 5 times).
I can't find an import (save the element and Scion xB, along with other SUVs) that has a long, flat, Caddy style hood. I can't see the end of any hoods, and I'm 6'5". What Toyota has a hood that you can see? All the models on their website look like Accords or Civics' slope. Thanks for letting me know!
#1839 of 4597 Re: Test Drive Civic [tawneycat]
Sep 20, 2005 (7:14 am)
Compared to what? Have you driven the direct competition and seen how loud a Corolla automatic and other small cars get under hard acceleration?
#1841 of 4597 Re: Invoice vs MSRP [heejoman], + Quality & Feel
Sep 20, 2005 (7:22 am)
I agree that the value of an Accord LX (esp. 05) vs. 06 Civic EX, coupe or sedan, is compelling. Unless the prices come down, I may opt out this way and pocket the difference, enjoy a quieter ride and more room while still probably able to get high 30's MPG on the highway.
Getting back to quality of the 06 Civic sedans, I actually noticed a difference between an EX built in OH and an LX built in Japan. The former had an unusual sound closing the front door, as well as the hood. The hood latch was not right, and was flimsy. I could have yanked it and broke it or bent it easily. The Japan-built LX was definitely better.
In both cars, I was impressed with the feel of the seating position. Sitting in the car, it definitely felt more spacious than an Acura TSX, and had plenty of head and leg room for someone 6'1" and 210 pounds.
#1842 of 4597 Re: Invoice vs MSRP [heejoman], + Quality & Feel [robrwa123]
Sep 20, 2005 (7:40 am)
I think I need to follow the suggestion on this forum. Be patient until the price comes down. I am strongly considering trading my Integra before its 90K mile service (timing belt, water pump).
I didn't know there are Civics still made in Japan.
How is this stratified? All EX from U.S. and LX from Japan or just certain percentage deal?
Accords the same way?
If something is wrong with my Honda, if American built, I blame the U.S. assembly line. If Japan built, I blame the design.
I know that is very wrong for me to feel that way but I can't help it as I have not yet had any problems with the Japan built Hondas (2 with over 100K and 1 with 85K). U.S. built? I had one U.S. built Accord that air conditioning went out at 65K.
#1844 of 4597 Re: WHERE THE HOOD [disappoited]
Sep 20, 2005 (7:53 am)
You mean the car that has the worst driving position for non-short drivers of any compact sedan? No thanks. I much prefer the cockpit of the Civic.
#1845 of 4597 Re: 2006 civic EX manual [tawneycat]
Sep 20, 2005 (7:57 am)
WOW!!! Are you serious? 70mph on the new MT civic is north of 3k rpm!!!! That is really bad!! I need a quiet ride for high speed highway driving!!
Now I really need to reconsider an automatic 06 civic, dammit. That bottom-hinged gas pedal sure would be good for heel and toe, though
In your opinion, how bad was the engine/road/other noise at 70 mph in that low geared MT civic?
Have you or anyone been able to compare the noise at 70mph between an AT and MT 06 civic?
Thanks for any help!!