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Replying to: abner (Apr 23, 2005 2:33 pm) I agree with everything you said. Honda has a history of disappointing me when it comes to mass-market performance-minded offerings. They discontinued the CRX Si in the early 1990's by the time I was able to afford it, and did the same with the early 90's Civic Si which was a too underpowered for me to consider. I bought a Nissan Sentra SE-R in 1990 or 91 (yeah, the good one). Then, when the SE-R was rear-ended/totaled in 1992, I looked to Honda again, but found weak performance in the civic and accord ranges, and the SE-R did not evolve - bought a Ford Probe GT, a great-handling car with good power for the time but it was bad for familes (got married) - sold it in 95. I looked to Honda again, and found weak performing offerings from honda in the Civic and Accord ranges (no sport suspension offerings for any sedan /lame V6 in accord/civic sedans had no oomph under the hood). So I bought a 95 Maxima SE. The Max turned 160K miles this year, and I have two kids, so I looked to Honda again. Accord finally got a real V6, but the "wet blankets that be" at Honda decided to make the car unattractive (at best it's an insipid design), and it still lacks a sport suspension option, and the civic sedans - where's the 160hp engine that should have been an option since almost 10 years ago? and where was the sport suspension? Not that it mattered to me, but in the early 2000's, where was the 200HP civic the rest of the world got? So a few weeks ago I went with the '05 Toyota Avalon (280HP) and yes, it has a sport suspension option (acura TL has tranny probs, too small interior for family, and is pricier). When the Max outlives its usefulness in the next 1-2 yrs, I'll be looking for a powerful sport-suspended compact ala Civic SI/Mazdaspeed 3/Subaru WRX (maybe I'll wait for the next sentra?), and as usual, it seems that by the time the Civic Si comes out, it'll be underpowered compared to its rivals, and as a whole, the company will be the disappointment it has been to me since the last gen CRX Si had its legs cut out from under it. Honda has a reputation for "competence", but for all their competence, they've given countless billions to the aftermarket to make their Hondas truly sporty machines, and allowed the competition (Mazda3&6,Nissan Altima/Maxima, Subaru WRX & Legacy GT, etc) to sell hundreds of thousands (millions?) of great factory-performance sedans that Honda was fully capable of offering but didn't. Don't get me wrong - I reccommend Hondas to friends and family all the time, but the last 15 yrs have given me four times to buy Honda (and I still want to buy Honda), and each time their offerings came up short. My prediction: Upcoming Civic Si 200hp, honda brakes, no 18" wheels, and "competent" mid-to-high six-second performance. The current Civic Si is certainly "competent", but look at how "well" they sell. My rant ends now - feel free to rip me to shreds, as I enjoy the open dialogue and exchange of information this forum provides. Regards, Deanie
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Here are pictures that have been around for a while... the second picture gives an impression of a two level dash. http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8444&sid=178&n=158 |
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Replying to: deanie (Apr 28, 2005 10:00 pm) I've been an avid honda fan and owner for about 15 years now...ok, i buy NOTHING but Honda! i've raced and built honda's for the past 10 years, and now even own a 2000 odyssey with a 100 shot of nitrous, flow computer, custom intake...etc... I owned a 91 civic Si, my first Honda, and LOVED it! It was fast, fun to drive, handled great...and lasted forever! I just sold it last year...had the motor from Japan in it....etc....I'm never happy with stock  I now own an 03 Si. The EP chassis. Fantastic car! Looks a bit weak, but it's one of those cars you need to drive and live with for a week to understand it. Yes, Honda dropped the ball on this car, mostly in looks. could use more HP? sure, but it's a Honda...good gas mileage, bullet proof motor, etc. The problem with the current Si is looks. if it looked like the HFP prepped civic for 19 grand, they wouldn't have any to sell! It's all about looks with kids now a days. but you get a mini minivan looking 'sports car' for way too much! I sell cars, sold at classic Honda for the past 2 years, and now am a sales manager at our nissan store across the road. we didn't sell Si's. but if someone would have given them a ride...things might be different. I purchased mine, an 03, last march. yes it sat for about a year! I got a stupid deal and i thank my wife everyday for letting me get it! I lowered it and slapped some nice wheels on it immediately! now it looks fantastic! did I like the power...loved it! any given moment I'd be the fastest car on the street. Hyudai tiburon V6? no match...Nissan SPEC V? not a chance...upper end it does not have! heck, i took a spec v in my odyssey, without N2O! I left it alone til recently....I now have supercharger on it, intake, looking to do midpipe and such....i'm a speed demon. no, i don't use it, it's just fun to have. and the deal I got on the car, add some speed parts, I have a car that is now faster than just about ANYTHING on the road, cost's less than a SRT4, EVO and STi, and will last twice as long! and yes, I went back and forth on adding power or not...i was more than content. I just got a stupid deal on a blower and couldn't pass it up...kinda like I coulnd't pass up the manager job at Nissan. i'm a honda guy now, 3 months in here, I like nissan stuff. would I buy? no. sentra isn't safe enough, quality is still a bit lagging...don't need an suv or truck, and the quest is just...well, i won't go there. I love the NISMO Spec V we have in the showroom, I helped build it..and the NISMO track 350Z we have as well..helped on that one too, but it's just a quality issue with me. I go with what's worked for me for years. did honda drop the ball on the current and some past models? sure! they threw a decade of loyalty to the civic and aftermarket out the window..because, as they said "their our cars, we don't want anyone messing with them...." lol, go figure. i'll just keep hoping they knock eveyone dead one day. problem is, they price themselves out of the market....ie honda prelude. oh well, long live the big H! and i'll just do them my way AFTER I buy them Vince
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Replying to: badodyssey (Apr 29, 2005 9:09 am) In my mind I'm 20 yrs old, but I'm 36, have a wife and two kids, and haven't the time, energy or extra funds to go all medieval aftermarket on my cars, so I generally require performance out of the box. I'll usually make a minor suspension change to whatever car I buy a couple of years down the road just to keep the car interesting to me. For my '05 Avalon, its way too soon for Tokico to have any struts or sway bar bushings for me. So until then, I'll live vicariously through everyone else's projects. Regards, Deanie P.S. Honda, plllleeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaasssssseeee do right by the next Civic Si - Yeah, right. |
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How did you lower the 03 Si? Any creaking issues? I tried to cheap out with some Tein springs, but after 6 months, I couldn't stand all the noise. |
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I can't wait for the final versions of the '06 Civics to go on sale. Have grown to love wife's '04 Civic EX auto sedan (only additions an Exotic Wood Dash and Honda leather steering wheel cover), and am thinking of an '06 Si or a slightly modified Rallye Red LX manual coupe at some $4,000 less. If the '06 LX coupe, I'd keep the steel wheels but remove the wheel covers, and put on 205/50-15 Falken Azenis tires, saving the 195s as spares for the sedan. Also would put a K&N air filter and catback pipe with just one muffler. (Actually, I bought such an exhaust system for the sedan but went too far and it was so loud as to be physically painful, so I removed it. Would use it including the chrome tip but with a less aggressive muffler.) I live near great mountain roads and with autocross and time trials experience have learned that a lot of fun can be had with light weight, good suspension and tires - even without a lot of horsepower. All thoughts, suggestions, and ideas - particularly what you think of a "sporty" LX coupe - would be appreciated. 
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Just came across this rendering of a 2006 sedan. I think it looks fairly reasonable as what the production car will look like considering the Si concept and spy shots from before. 
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I won't say what I think of this website.. Buit I can assure you that this picture is nothign more than the Civic Si Concept turned into a 4 door equivalent. The ONLY time they have been spot on is when they take other's pics and add to their "flava" to them. |
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Replying to: chrisducati (Apr 23, 2005 9:38 am) |
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