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#1159 of 4597 Japanese made Civics/ Accords
Sep 06, 2005 (11:24 am)
It has been my experience that quite a number of Honda's models for the turn of a new design year are built in Japan. Either that, or the engines and transmissions are being shipped to the US or Canada for final assembly to avoid major re tooling issues that occur in the factories of North America. Of course, I would be the first to highly recommend that you snap up a "JHM" Civic or Accord being the Japanese made models are far more superior than their North American counterparts. Case in point, the automatic transmission recalls in a number of Accords resulting in the majority (if not all) of the late-model Honda/Acura products assembled in US/Canada/UK having Japanese-made transmissions. My 1997 Civic LX was a rare model that was mainly Japanese-made, save for the horrible American-made automatic transmission. The engine was far more superior than any American-made or Canadian-made car I've compared it to; and gave me zero problems during my 3-year lease. I'm guessing that the Civic Hybrid will continue to be built in Japan, right along with the Insight, until the technology is refined to the point where we won't have any more people complaining about mileage inconsistencies with their cars. I believe the new 3-cycle design will eliminate a lot of the issues that people have been having with huge differences in overall fuel economy. I personally would like to see a Civic Si completely made in Japan, but it seems that all 2-door coupe models are made Stateside ever since the Accord and Civic offered non-hatchback models. At least a good share of engines and transmissions (all of the HX, most of the EX, and some of the DX/LX models) are made and Japan and shipped here to keep the quality levels up. What we really need is a Retro Prelude with a version of the Acura RLs SH All Wheel Drive system mated to a high-output VTEC from the Integra! But I digress... sorry!
#1160 of 4597 Re: Build Location [claudius753]
Sep 06, 2005 (12:08 pm)
6th Gen too. My wife's 98 Civic LX was built in Ohio.
#1161 of 4597 Backy with teenager
Sep 06, 2005 (1:00 pm)
I think that HP is not really the issue. The reason the Accord has the performance it does, is TORQUE. Forget premium fuel. Bore the thing out. The V6 in the Accord does not make 100 Hp per litre, but runs in the 6's with the same fuel consumption as the Si Civic. Remember that the Accord is way heavier than the Civic, so to achieve better performance with a heavy car than the light Civic, useing the same amount of REGULAR fuel should tell you something. Also, did you ever consider locking that teenager in his room? ( Now, factor in the ,20 cents more per gallon that the Si costs to run, and you have the Accord being CHEAPER to run than the Civic Si, the accord is, however, not cheaper to buy in the first place,and the Civic EX is way cheaper to run and buy than both of the others. The bottom line, the Civic EX is the one to get if economics is the key factor and you still want a decent car to drive that has a bunch of goodies on it.
Sep 06, 2005 (1:04 pm)
they built Civics in two places. My 1999 Civic Value Package came out of Alliston, Ontario.
#1163 of 4597 Re: Build Location [capitano]
Sep 06, 2005 (1:05 pm)
My 1990 Civic hatchback (build date September 1989) was manufactured in Ontario, Canada.
#1164 of 4597 Re: Premium vs pre-detonation [roger227]
Sep 06, 2005 (1:07 pm)
It is not predetonation, but rather uneven burning. Pre-detonation is more of a diesel effect; that is not what is really happening. The problem is uneven burning once the spark is applied. Higher grade fuel helps control the burning in high compression engines. If the spark is retarded such that the effective compression is only 9.5-10 then regular provides even burning.
I had a 1995 Integra GSR, not sure of the compression off hand but I think it was around 10.5 and premium gas was recomended. I ran regular, mid-range and premium and could really tell no difference in performance.
#1165 of 4597 It is actually preignition
Sep 06, 2005 (1:24 pm)
but the midnight cowboy has it right. I had several cars that required premium (Z28) Camaro, and others, but I used regular, and I could not tell any difference by the seat of pants method of testing. I still think premium fuel is a scam.
Sep 06, 2005 (1:36 pm)
I happen to be 16 and im waiting for the 2006 honda civic si. My dad will pay for the car, but gas is another story. The premium fuel requirement surprised me. but if the tank is small the 20 cents extra per gallon wont bother me. I know 2005 honda civic si tank was 13.2, but what about 2006 fuel tank? the same?>
#1167 of 4597 Re: Backy with teenager [snakerbill]
Sep 06, 2005 (1:46 pm)
Also, did you ever consider locking that teenager in his room?
Sometimes. But he has to get to school, practice etc. He and his siblings will have to make do with less than 197 hp, until they want to buy their own cars.
Also... I think my '88 Civic LX was built in Ohio.
#1168 of 4597 Re: premium fuel [creamyam]
Sep 06, 2005 (2:43 pm)
Not to state the obvious, but the size of the tank will have no bearing on how much extra it will cost to own the Si over the long term. A smaller tank will just make each trip to the gas station a little less painful. The pain will be a little less, but you will incur it more often.