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Honda Civic, Sedan
Mar 11, 2005 (3:25 am)
Folding mirrors are standard on the except for the over priced, rarely seen Si.
And the suspension is also very tight (for stock set up) on the except for the over priced, rarely seen Si
except for the over priced, rarely seen Si has timing chain, not timing belt.
Maybe you were looking for features that Honda thought only people who drive Si's would appreciate. I am sure Honda does some marketing research. But I agree, Honda is off the beat with hatchbacks. When I bought my 99 Civic, I would have rather bought the hatchback in that iteration had it been available in EX trim, rather than spartan CX or DX.
The 2002 Si fit the bill perfectly, it was cheap, it was a hatchback, and it had more standard equipment than EX.
except for the over priced, rarely seen Si I don't think Si is overpriced, I bought mine for less than $15,000 (brand new), this is less than what I paid for 99 Civic EX in 1999. And I got more for my money. Even now, people are able to buy Si for $17,000 or so. Most EX's go for that.
#103 of 4597 Re: Interior? [bamaflum]
Mar 11, 2005 (11:44 am)
"Anybody got a guess at how much bigger the interior will be? I noticed the Mazda3 has a large interior, almost as big as some midsized cars. I was wondering if Honda will try to match this as well as the performance aspects. (I got three kids and like small cars, what can I say? )"
Really Mazda 3 interior is large? I sat in the 3 hatch and it was cramped. It found the 3 not as big as midsize cars in terms of interior size. I;m 5 foot 7 and head my head was too close to the roofline. I sat in the Mazda 6 and that was a niced car. The 3 I could not drive one if I had too. I could fit comfortably in the current Hyundai Elantra and current Civic 4 door as far as compacts go.
Mar 11, 2005 (11:51 am)
Hmm, I'm 6' tall, and sit "high" (long torso), and found the 3 to have plenty of room up front, including headroom, and enough in the back of the hatch.
Maybe the front seat was ratcheted up? It has a lot of vertical adjustment.
Mar 11, 2005 (11:57 am)
Too bad about the coupe only. From the pics of the Si concept, I can't see it having enough usable rear seat room, never mind the tiny trunk.
Again, call me a whiner, but the hatch version would have addressed these issues, and still been stylish.
Heck, they are making the body already, just send it over as an option. There have to be some number of people like me that want something reasonably small and sporty, but still need to have adequate rear seat room and cargo capacity.
I don't use my car (a Scion tC) for family travel, but do need to transport my 2 kids, and sometimes my wife, on a regular basis. That Si doesn't look like it will cut it, and a 4 dr. sedan probably won't have enough "pizazz" or cargo flexibility (love that hatch area) to make it worth while.
Come on, Honda, make a competitor for the 3hatch/matrix/upcoming DCC neon replacement. The 5 door could fit the bill, without looking like a wagon.
#106 of 4597 Re: Si room [stickguy]
Mar 11, 2005 (1:35 pm)
Front Head Room: 39.1 in. Front Hip Room: 54.9 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 54.9 in. Rear Head Room: 37.4 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 54 in. Rear Hip Room: 53.9 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.9 in. Rear Leg Room: 36.3 in.
If you compare these numbers to other compacts, you will see the Mazda3 is a very roomy car, especially the backseat (where I would have to put my three kids). I was hoping the Civic would be a comparable model as well as sporty. We have an Odyssey (love it) and I drive my wife's old 1990 Accord (love it, but it is getting old). I hope Honda does make it bigger. As a teacher, I probably can only afford the Civic if I want lots of options, which I do. I guess we will have to wait and see.
#107 of 4597 Re: Si room [bamaflum]
Mar 11, 2005 (7:10 pm)
current CIVIC dimensions:
Front Head Room: 39.8 in. Front Hip Room: 51.2 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 52.6 in. Rear Head Room: 37.2 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 52.0 in. Rear Hip Room: 49.8 in.
Front Leg Room: 42.2 in. Rear Leg Room: 36.0 in.
the Civic is currently smaller by two inches in width 67.5 vs. the Mazda3 69.1
also, the overall height of mazda is over 1.6 inches taller. you've to wait til the new 06 Civic coming out this fall for bigger room. just get the mazada3 now but you lose about 2 cubic inches for the trunk in compromise for more interior space.
#108 of 4597 Point missed
Mar 12, 2005 (12:55 am)
The idea of a hatchback is that you don't have to fit long items under the rear (fixed) glass as you do in a coupe. The Mazda 3 and 2006 Civic will probably be close in hip/shoulder/leg/head room, but the Civic won't have a hatch - big mistake.
The Si never caught on with the masses because it had only 2 door and a man. trans. and a $20k price tag. Never mind what it actually sold for - people looking for a fairly basic hatchback saw $20k on the sticker and kept walking. Ford seems to sell huge amounts of 3/5 door Focus hatches and Mazda can't make enough 3 hatches. How many times is Honda going to go back and forth between a hatch and a coupe for the Si before they get it right? First the Si was a hatch, then a coupe (arguably the best Si: 99-00), then a hatch and now back to a coupe. Here's an idea, let's have BOTH. How about giving us a choice. Let's have it our way, instead of always having it Honda's way
#109 of 4597 If honda continues to stay asleep at the wheel they will loose buyers
Mar 13, 2005 (8:15 pm)
I am seriously looking at gettion a scion xb since honda has shafted us on hatches, its so strange that a small "rogue" company has such an out of touch corporate mentality on its product lines, I mean look at the element the so called youth vehicle. thats sold to a majority of 40 + crowds
I might accept the fit if honda doesn't drag it out until 2007 , but I loved the current 5 door hatch so much I was thinking about importing one
I really would like a vehicke with proportions in the middle of a scion xb and xa
since the xa is way too small, and the xb has some wasted space, though not as bad as the element
#110 of 4597 Re: If honda continues to stay asleep at the wheel they will loose buyers [chris777]
Mar 13, 2005 (10:00 pm)
"I really would like a vehicke with proportions in the middle of a scion xb and xa
since the xa is way too small, and the xb has some wasted space, though not as bad as the element"
What about thr Chrysler PT Cruiser? It has those captain chairs that make you sit up a little higher(a little bit but not that much) than you do in your normal everyday sedan or coupe. It depends if you like feature or not. I think you could fit a normal amount of stuff in the trunk area.
I don't know but the XB does not strike me any more or any less than a youth vehicle than the Element would be. I;m not saying that makes Element or XB bad vehicles by any means. The TC is a youth vehicle to me. I wouldn't buy either the TC, XB or Xa but I'm just saying. Usually young buyers buy cars like a Protege 5/Mazda 3, Mazda 6, RSX, the Civic or Accord Coupes, and the Scion TC.