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Infiniti M35 / M45 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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Re: Good Cash Price on M45 [dallaspatent] by walt18
Jul 03, 2008 (8:26 am)
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Replying to: dallaspatent (Jul 02, 2008 7:20 pm)

For cash money you should be able to get it for less than the invoice. Here are the number factors on a 2008 M45 with no options: $46,163 this is invoice price so my thought is (cash talks bull crap walks) I think you should be able to get it for at least 42K or 43K cash money depending on what car company you go to. I would call around to different dealerships and make them compete against one another to see who would give you the best deal. Thats what I am doing with getting my 2009 M45 which come out in October I am buying mine cash money so if I have to get mine from a dealer out of NC to get the best deal that's what I am going to do.
I wish you the best on getting your brand new M45.
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Re: Good Cash Price on M45 [walt18] by ltcadviser
Jul 03, 2008 (8:27 pm)
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Replying to: walt18 (Jul 03, 2008 8:26 am)

Walt, I understand your "cash is king logic" but that is not how the car business works.
 
I am currently a certified financial planner, but in a "former life" I was in New Car F&I, and New Car sales.
 
New Car managers and sales people get paid off of the gross that they hold.
 
It is irrelevant whether you are leasing or buying, putting $1000 down and financing $45000, or stroking a $46000 check
 
Each car has an invoice, holdback, maybe some dealership retro bonus money for hitting a monthly target, etc.
General sales managers get paid off of Front end gross, and back end gross (the money the F&I dept. makes for selling you a rate a point or two over buy rate, pushing a warranty, or glass etch, or whatever.
 
The F&I dept gets paid on the back end gross only.
 
The GMs get paid off of the whole dealership
 
Everybody is working their pay plan, which is based on gross profit held.
 
The actual bottom line is that in reality if you are paying cash money the dealership loses a possible three or four hundred dollar flat fee that a financing bank might have paid the dealership for steering the deal to them, even if you financed at the buy rate. So, there is positively less incentive to give a cash buyer a better deal than someone who is financing, because there is no back end gross opportunity.
 
Still, I remember many times that people will say, "What if I pay cash"
 
I used to always laugh inside, and think..."If you only knew"
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Re: Good Cash Price on M45 [ltcadviser] by walt18
Jul 04, 2008 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: ltcadviser (Jul 03, 2008 8:27 pm)

I didn't know that. My question to you is if I pay cash money for a fully loaded M45 (premium) I would not get as good a deal as I would financing it. That seems so weird. But what about all the finance charge that is added to the deal when you finance the car.
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Re: Good Cash Price on M45 [walt18] by ghstudio
Jul 04, 2008 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: walt18 (Jul 04, 2008 8:09 am)

All the finance charge I just leased an M35 for a mf of .00002 which is $1.50 a month interest.
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Re: Good Cash Price on M45 [ltcadviser] by lthaley756
Jul 05, 2008 (4:44 am)
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Replying to: ltcadviser (Jul 03, 2008 8:27 pm)

you mentioned they get paid for financing- does this include Infiniti financing such as the current 2.9 or 3..9%?
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Re: Good Cash Price on M45 [ghstudio] by walt18
Jul 05, 2008 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: ghstudio (Jul 04, 2008 10:35 am)

which is better? paying cash money or financing to get a great deal?
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Re: Good Cash Price on M45 [walt18] by ghstudio
Jul 05, 2008 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: walt18 (Jul 05, 2008 7:52 am)

irrespective of spiffs, under the table payments, kickbacks and holdbacks, I believe you can always get the best deal with cash. If the finance company is kicking something back to the dealer, you are paying for it...etc.
 
The exception to this is when there is manufacturer money that applies to financing or leasing, but not to cash. Then it gets interesting. One other option I''ve used is when there is money for buying but not for leasing, don't use manufacturer leasing. Years ago I had a Nissan dealer arrange financing thru GE credit because Nissan had some dealer money that only applied to purchases. I was paying a higher interest rate, but with the money back, the lease cost me much less.
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2007 M35 or M45 Price by mark824
Aug 17, 2008 (5:40 am)
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I am looking at 2007 M35 or M45. I will probably go for the M45. I am seeing pricing with the Navi, adv tech package for about 35-36k with 15-20k miles. This is in Atlanta. It looks like the M35's arew about 4-5K less.
 
35K looks like a good pricefor the m45 with 15-20k miles and navi etc.. What is everyone else seeing out there?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark
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Re: 2007 M35 or M45 Price [mark824] by go_mdx1
Aug 20, 2008 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: mark824 (Aug 17, 2008 5:40 am)

I also was looking for a 2007 M35.....$35k for an M35 with the options you are looking for sounds about right. Gwinnett in Atlanta seemed to have some of the lowest prices in the Southeast. Be careful to NOT buy a service loaner car - those cars are a bit more prone to longer term quality issues. Most 07 M35's are previous service loaner cars.
 
At the end of the day, I ended up getting a brand new 09 Maxima as the gas mileage was better, the body style was new, and a number of the key features found in the M35 are also present in the Maxima. This is particularly the case when comparing the Premium Package cars. Two exceptions to that are the dynamic cruise and lane departure warning systems. Those are unique to M35.
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by mark824
Aug 20, 2008 (4:50 pm)
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I looked at the 09 Maxima but it is smaller then the M35 all around and I ned a car with more interior space and trunk space. Nissan did a great job with the new Maxima.

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