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Ford F-250, Ford F-350, Dodge Ram Pickup 2500, Dodge Ram Pickup 3500, Chevrolet Silverado 2500, Chevrolet Silverado 3500, Engine, Diesel, Truck
Nov 10, 2004 (6:24 pm)
I made a trip from Western Kentucky to the Colorado/Utah border back in the summer. I drove my truck out there empty, then pulled a mobile lab trailer back. The trip was approximately 1,300 miles each way. I drive right at 75mph all the way, which is around 2,200rpm's. I got around 16.5mpg running empty, with the exception of one tank that was burnt running into a 30-40mph headwind, that one only got 13mpg! Coming back pulling that trailer, appr. 8k-9k pounds, and running the same 75mph, I averaged around 13mpg.
Around here, where most of my driving is back and forth to work, I average around 18.5mpg. When I load the Jeep onto the flatbed and spend a day off-roading, that tank will average around 16.5mpg. Any 3/4 ton diesel should get you 20 or better.
But you're right, a 1/2 ton diesel pickup would get in the mid to upper 20's.
#17 of 25 Re: [wheels1]
Nov 14, 2004 (7:55 pm)
wheels1, I completely agree with you. I would love to buy a Ram 1500 with a 2.7 TD engine and a stick. That should get me upper 20s to 30 mpg on the highway, and it would fill my needs exactly. I asked Chrysler about it and was told they have no plans to do it at this time. I think they are missing a potentially big market.
Nov 21, 2004 (7:42 am)
I noticed a post stating that the GM diesel is the quietest?? Since I just traded a Duramax for an '05 Dodge I have to take issue with that. The Dodge is much quieter than the Duramax, no question. The Ford 6.0 is by far the loudest of the three.
I don't think that there is much question as to which is the best of the three engines. The Duramax has known injector issues. An estimated 20% in a poll on a pro GM diesel site have had failures. GM has extended the warranty on injectors for '01-'02 Durmax trucks to 200k miles. Ford might have the issues resolved for '05 finally. Prior to that the 6.0 has been problematic, lots of computer related issues and engine oil leaks. The Cummins on the other hand doesn't seem to have a single weakness. In addition it gives the best milage of the three and the most power.
The thing to really consider is the total package and how you will use it. The GM trucks are the most comfortable by far. They ride the smoothest and they have the nicest interiors with the most comfortable seats. I also found my last two Chev D/A trucks to be the most troublesome when compared to my Ford and Dodge trucks. If you need four door room the Dodge runs a little short. The crew cabs from GM and Ford are bigger. My kids are only 7 so the Dodge will work for years to come for me. I also found the ride and handling superior on the Dodge 3500 vs the F350, yes, even the new '05 version.
So since I have little faith in either the GM or Ford diesels living for the long haul, I bought a Dodge with the Cummins and love it. I now have two '03s at work that have been flawless and a new '05 at home. Nice trucks.
As to the milage, I have seen 19mpg cruising at 85-90 mph in a Cummins. My D-max gets about 13 mpg run the same way. The best I could ever coax out of a D-max was about 15 average, and I have owned two of them. The Cummins is easily capable of nearly 20 average with my heavy foot.
Good Luck choosing!
#19 of 25 Re: [2manytoys]
Nov 21, 2004 (8:25 am)
Thanks for the info. I was sure the Cummins was the best of the three. My brother-in-law concurs on the Dodge being the quietest. I wish I liked the looks of any of the three. It did make it easier when Chevy came out with new uglier look in 2003. I will probably buy the Dodge. My neighbor has a 6.0 Ford and it is noisy from outside the vehicle.
Nov 21, 2004 (6:22 pm)
I really like the look of the Dodge in quad cab short box form. If you decide on a GM truck the GMC is better looking than the Chevys squinty eyed look. I never minded the look of the Ford. The new BIG CHROME GRILLE might be a little much but, they definately look like TRUCKS.
Nov 23, 2004 (1:47 pm)
Cummins is definitely the best engine. It's really too bad they are imprisoned within Dodges.
What was the Powerstroke in the '97 F350s? 7.3L? Those, despite the excessive noise, are darn good workhorses. I help my grandfather move his 32' cabincruiser once or twice a year and he hauls it on a quad-axle gooseneck with his F350 auto crew. This truck pulls that boat (all 8? tons) at 65-70 mph all the way from Chugiak to Seward.
I guess we'll see about the long-term reliability of the engine, but we do not have to worry about the rest of the truck.
Nov 23, 2004 (5:52 pm)
That 7.3 liter, the Powerstroke, was used from '94 to I think '02. A very similar 7.3 liter, sans turbo, first appeared somewhere around '91. Prior to that they were a 6.9 liter.
I have to agree about the Cummins engine being trapped in the Dodge truck. I bought the Ford because I think Ford has the best total package going.
Nov 25, 2004 (3:10 pm)
The Dodge truck itself USED to be an issue. Since the third generation was introduced in '03, the "package" is tough to beat. The only thing lacking is the full four door cab Chev and Ford offer. The Dodge now has the most reliable auto tranny, it has the only fully hydroformed(boxed) frame, it has an updated front suspension on 4x4 models. It is far from the leper it once was.
#24 of 25 Re: [2manytoys]
Nov 29, 2004 (10:53 am)
I can't argue with you because I haven't looked twice at Dodge since my past experiences with a '91 and '94 left a permanently fouled taste in my mouth. They were good trucks except for their unreliability, and I doubt it was a fluke because I don't see many Dodges out there with more than a few years on them. Perhaps by the time I am seriously looking at a newer full-size, time will have told a different Dodge story and if your assessment holds true, it will.
#25 of 25 The best diesel turned out to be a Hemi
Dec 03, 2004 (5:05 pm)
My brother in law has wanted a new Dodge 3/4 ton with a Cummins for the last 3 years. He finally went to make the deal at Carl Burger Dodge in San Diego. He looked at them all and the best he could do on a 2005 diesel was right at $10,000 over the same 3/4 ton crewcab with a Hemi, 2004 model. He tried his best to justify the extra money. There was no way he would use that much gas the rest of his life. He tows a car trailer maybe 20 times a year and not for long distances. The cold hard facts are diesels sell first off the lot, and the gassers that don't get sold in that MY are a bargain. He loves the Hemi and got 19.2 mpg on his trip to Bonneville for Speed Week.