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#41 of 605 Re: R134 Retrofit [jemtec] by btp May 29, 2005 (12:56 pm)
Replying to: jemtec (Apr 22, 2005 11:27 pm) Hi Jeff - I have a 93 Honda Civic DX and purchased the R12 to R134 kit. I'm having problems distinguishing between the "High" and "Low" side - both ports are near each other. One is closer to the front bumber and the other is on a second line set a few inches behind the other one (the second one is closer to the engine block). Which one would you consider the Hi and Low if oyu recall from your Honda conversion?   Also - if I choose NOT to deplete my old R12 by a technician, could I simply manually deplete the old R12 in the air at my home by pusing in the nozzle on one or both ports? Is this illegal? I read that this could be dangerous so it would be done in open air, of course if I am legally able to do it this way. Would it remove all the old R12?   Thank you and I look forward to getting cold air again in my Honda.   Brent Replies to this message: jemtec (May 31, 2005 12:22 pm)
#42 of 605 Rio Hatchback by cookie55 May 30, 2005 (2:16 am)
Does anyone know if the Rio hatchback is coming to the U.S.? Replies to this message: kb4 (May 30, 2005 7:27 am)
#43 of 605 Re: Rio Hatchback [cookie55] by kb4 May 30, 2005 (7:27 am)
Replying to: cookie55 (May 30, 2005 2:16 am) Yup.
#44 of 605 Re: R134 Retrofit [btp] by jemtec May 31, 2005 (12:22 pm)
Replying to: btp (May 29, 2005 12:56 pm) Hi brent. I wouldnt recommend discharging your R12 (whatever left) manually. Mainly because having a "tech" remove it helps get some of the R12 based oil out of the compressor, and helps your system have a "vacuum" in it. Shops will usually do this removal for free. Call the shop first and tell them what you are doing and that they can have your old R12, and heard they can remove it for free. Go to a place that specializes in AC repairs and installs. About the Legality issue. It is"illegal" to just dump R12 into the atmosphere so I myself went the route of taking it in and having someone take the old stuff out. R12 and R134A, when released, can be dangerous if someone was to break the shrader valve (the little "pintle" valve thats inside of the High and low side ports) Its also used on Valve stems of Automotive tires.. etc etc. When leaving the system, R12 and R134A will freeze objects that are near the valve as the gas leaves. Just like when you spray something out of any can.. (spray paint, WD-40..whatever) the can gets cold when you spray enough of the product. They make it sound almost deadly.. I suppose it could be if you managed to somehow put a can of refrigerant to a High side valve ( which is under "pressure" instead of "vacuum" like the low side is). The High and Low side valves use different size ports. The Low side is larger in size than the high side and you will notice that the valves that come in the kit (threaded aluminum units with a valve in them) may or may not have a Blue or a Red Plastic Cap. The Blue Cap is (blue=cold or "low") meant for the low side, and only fit on the low side valve. The Red Cap is the High side (red=hot or "high"). You might get stuck with Black caps, but you will see that they are not the same size and are not interchangable. Make sure when you install the valves over the original valves, you dont reef them down.. Tighten enough to snug.. if you reef, you will bend the pintles on either the new or old valves! The R-134A connector (that the cans spin on)they give you in the Kit, will only connect to the Lowside port as its sized with safety in mind. Its totally foolproof. About refilling, Be careful of your measurements. Turn the A/C button on, full cold temp on the slider, set the fan speed to "High" and run at an idle. Look at your R134A connector hose that came in your kit. It has a brass fitting, where the cans screw on to.. Make sure your valve is turned out so the sharp metal "pin" isnt going to puncture the can as you screw the can onto the connector. When you turn the valve to the right, it will screw downward, and eventually puncture the can.. You fill by opening the valve again after you feel the resistance of puncturing, then the gas will start flowing as you turn the valve back out again. Make sure the can is "upside down" with the cans valve pointing down. It helps with filling. You can attach and remove the connector in the same way you do with Airtools. There is a coupler, and you lift up on the coupler, press the connector down on the port with a small amount of pressure.. and release the coupler to lock. Using these above steps: Fill the 2 oz Oil can first. Then add the First can of R134A. It will take about 3/4 of a can additional once you have finished filling the first can. Simply, disconnect the coupler, reset the valve position, (there might be a slight discharge of gas remaining in the can), load your next can. There is no danger when you do this. I figured 19oz was the figure for a refill at 85% fill rule for R134A. (its 23 Oz if you refilled with R12 again). On your Honda. The Cans only hold 12 Oz each, so BE Careful on the 2nd can because you can overfill if you arent paying very close attention. Once you have partly installed the 2nd can.. turn the valve out to close it again and to prevent further filling. Be quick about it! Once disconnected from the Low Side, you will be left with a bit of R134 in your can. It will probably very slowly leak out of the valve when sitting, so be prepared for that. Fortunately.. R134A is way cheaper than R12! Just make sure that you absolutely dont overfill your R134.. Its better to be slightly "low" than too "high". The cans will go from Full to empty in about 45 seconds when filling. Keep in mind that R134A is basically 85% of the coldness of R12, so it will never be as cold as R12. But its much better than nothing. Good luck.
#45 of 605 A bit more to the last post. by jemtec Jun 03, 2005 (12:30 pm)
One Addendum to my last post.. Turn the valve IN.. to close. Not Out.
#46 of 605 Back to the Rio by jchan2 Jun 07, 2005 (8:12 am)
How much will it cost?
#47 of 605 Wish manual mpg was higher especially on the.. by bamacar Jun 13, 2005 (4:09 pm)
highway. Still a good improvement over 2005, but the highway mpg for the manual should be 38-41 especially with the auto's numbers.   2006 RIO Replies to this message: gwido (Jun 14, 2005 4:10 am)
#48 of 605 Re: Wish manual mpg was higher especially on the.. [bamacar] by gwido Jun 14, 2005 (4:10 am)
Replying to: bamacar (Jun 13, 2005 4:09 pm) Looking at the specs, you can see a significant difference between the high gear ratios of the manual and auto transmissions. I suppose that can explain the automatic's better highway mileage...   It's good to see improvement over the current model. But Kia will need to bring a hybrid version of the Rio (supposedly considered for 2007, along with a Hyundai Accent hybrid) to really compete on the mileage front.
#49 of 605 Re: I think I like the rear view [chrisducati] by chuck1959 Jul 18, 2005 (9:34 am)
Replying to: chrisducati (Mar 16, 2005 2:03 pm) I bought my mother a 2002 Kia Rio Cinco. It has been a great car. I was disappointed to see that they have screwed up the rear styling (as well as the Spectra 5). Looks like to me like they are trying to copy the Matrix/Vibe, Sicon (can't think of the model but it's a hatchback) etc. Yes, the new name will be the Kia Rio5,
#50 of 605 I have a 2006 Rio by someone1 Aug 05, 2005 (11:05 am)
Haha, of course, I'm Korean. In Korea, this car is named "(New) Pride" as most of Korean miss one of best models, that is old Pride. Compared to previous Rio, new Rio has more larger dimensions as well as higher power. (I don't know how this new Rio will change in U.S.) What I felt so far is that new Rio has became economical. Especially diesel version of Rio has really owesome mileage. Somebody ever told he was able to drive approximately over 950 kilometers with his diesel Rio when his car was filled up. (new Rio has 45L gas tank) Unfortunately I couldn't buy diesel one... I just bought gasoline one. However the gasoline one also provides nice mileage.   In addition, its exterior and interior are very handsome. Frankly, I can say it's european style rather than american style. Whatever it looks like, you will meet new Rio soon, then it will be up to you to judge.

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