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Re: AWD and Subaru [ateixeira] by robr2
Oct 14, 2009 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 14, 2009 7:48 am)

The overall adder for the SH_AWD model on the TL is $3500 but it includes the 3.7L engine (25 more HP), the 18" rims, hill control and the upgraded interior. I'm sure the majority of the cost is the AWD but it's not the entire upgrade.
 
Actually, we have no idea what the cost really is. For all we know, Honda might be making a huge profit on the SH-AWD.
 
You can a pretty good idea as the adder is $2000 on the RDX and that's the only item added.
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Re: AWD and Subaru [robr2] by ateixeira
Oct 14, 2009 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: robr2 (Oct 14, 2009 8:24 am)

$2 grand without the carbon fiber driveshaft.
 
At Acura prices, the customer is not as price-sensitive. The Accord buyer, especially 4 cylinder model, is looking at TCO and may back out. If they keep it V6-only there's two things to increase the TCO.
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Re: AWD and Subaru [ateixeira] by aaykay
Oct 14, 2009 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 14, 2009 8:49 am)

Agreed about replacing the carbon fiber unit with Steel. But the question is, as long as it retains the functionality, why should we care whether it is made of carbon fiber or of steel ?
 
There are many ways to skin a cat and there are many engineering routes to get to the end result. In this particular application, Honda/Acura felt that they could get the same functionality, by employing steel, while not compromising anything else.....maybe add a bit of extra weight to the unit.
 
If I was a buyer of the vehicle, I personally would not care whether it contained carbon fiber or steel, as long as the unit functions as SH-AWD (with all its handling benefits) and not as the pedestrian front-wheel-drive based system that Honda employs in their Pilot/Ridgeline etc. Mitsubishi is supposed to have used some of the engineering principles in the Honda SH-AWD system, in their EVO X's active AWD system.
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Re: AWD and Subaru [aaykay] by ateixeira
Oct 14, 2009 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: aaykay (Oct 14, 2009 12:26 pm)

I'm not saying it's bad, necessarily, only that Acura struggled to reign in the costs for the system.
 
For Acura, it was a small problem.
 
For Honda, it would be a bigger problem.
 
Maybe they could switch to plastic driveshafts. Just kidding.
 
As for active differentials, they're becoming common. Mercedes, BMW, and Audi have them, as does the EVO, as you mentioned. Wonder if Subaru is working on one?
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2010 Motor Trend Sport/Utility Of The Year: Subaru Outback by sweet_subie
Oct 15, 2009 (5:07 pm)
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http://media.subaru.com/index.php?s=43&item=116
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Re: 2010 Motor Trend Sport/Utility Of The Year: Subaru Outback [sweet_subie] by ateixeira
Oct 16, 2009 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: sweet_subie (Oct 15, 2009 5:07 pm)

Subaru is on a roll...
 
I hope they don't let it get to their heads and continue improving the cars.
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No Subie RWD coupe for Australia by rsholland
Oct 22, 2009 (12:48 pm)
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http://www.ft86club.com/?p=47
 
Let's here it for Oz's Nick Senior. At least he knows what the Subaru brand is all about.
 
Bob
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Re: No Subie RWD coupe for Australia [rsholland] by nippononly
Oct 22, 2009 (9:36 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Oct 22, 2009 12:48 pm)

Well, Subaru has no car like this, and if they let it go solely to Toyota dealers around the globe, when ALL the guts will be Subaru-designed and built, it will be the height of irony. And a missed opportunity.
 
They should get off their butts and develop an AWD version for Subaru dealers.
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Re: No Subie RWD coupe for Australia [nippononly] by ateixeira
Oct 23, 2009 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 22, 2009 9:36 pm)

Would be a huge gain for Toyota. It's nothing like anything else in their lineup and could actually be truly sporty.
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new head of design/good news by rblnr
Oct 23, 2009 (1:46 pm)
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on Inside Line from the Hybrid Tourer blog:
 
We also learned that his (new design head) favorite Subaru design of the last decade is the same as ours: the 2005-'09 Legacy. He regards that as a clean design in need of bolder cues.
 
This sounds about perfect -- I find the last gen. Legacy clean and subtle, but too understated for a small brand like Subaru to get attention. The Tourer looks great so I hope this guy gets to follow thru w/his designs. It's bold in the right way.

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