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#558 of 5338 Re: Yeah, this 3.3 thing is dead [alpha01]
Oct 31, 2005 (6:32 pm)
The quality and reliability of the old 3.0 will be missed. Toyota had had this engine in some form or another since 1998 (9 model years) with only minor tweaks such as adding VVTI. I had a 1999 V6 LE that I used for 6 years without a single problem, the engine was one the smoothest and quietest I have ever driven, always ready with a reserve of power whenever you needed it. I used to travel a lot those days and use rental cars (mostly GM/Ford) and just long to get back to home base and drive my Camry again, it was such a world apart from the competition.
I drove a friend's Lexus RX 330 and also a rental Solara recently, both of which have has the 3.3 V6 and I cannot say I was as pleased. Although supposedly more powerful, the 3.3 was just not as satisfying, felt less like a car engine and more like an SUV/Minivan engine (which is probably the more common application of this engine anyway). Just did not feel as much in control.
#559 of 5338 Re: Yeah, this 3.3 thing is dead [manukumar]
Nov 01, 2005 (7:05 am)
Thats rather strange. The 3.3L essentially *IS* the 3.0L.
You also are comparing a V6 in a car to a V6 in a much heavier SUV, and the 3.3L has greater emissions controls and is hooked up to a different transmission than youre used to. The comparison is so far from apples to apples, Im not sure it means very much.
#560 of 5338 so much V-6 talk!
Nov 02, 2005 (7:32 am)
I am more curious where Toyota will go with the 4-cyl. Big boost in fuel economy? Add another 20 hp? Change nothing, keep prices low?
My vote is for a big fuel economy boost.
#561 of 5338 Probably the 06 RAV engine
Nov 02, 2005 (7:48 am)
The 2.4L will add 12 real horses and about 5 foot-pounds of twist, to 166 hp and 165. This will occur via the use of VVT on both the intake and exhaust valves, and will give a performance boost as well as hopefully improve overall MPG by 1 or 2, depending on weight gain of the redesign and gearing.
Thats my guess, anyway, but I bet its correct.
Nov 02, 2005 (7:49 am)
For more info on the next Camry 4. Just adjust slightly upward in economy numbers.
#563 of 5338 Re: Probably the 06 RAV engine [alpha01]
Nov 02, 2005 (11:45 am)
What makes you guys think this is even possible?
Honda just did the same thing for the power, but didn't see any improvement in mileage. Why do you think Toyota will eek out 2 MPG on top of the performance boost?
The biggest thing Toyota could do to improve the highway MPGs is to reduce the coefficient of drag for the body. Bucking the wind takes over 50% of your power at highway speeds. A reduction from the current 0.29 to 0.26 or so should improve highway MPGs by 5% or so.
#564 of 5338 Re: Probably the 06 RAV engine [tradscott]
Nov 02, 2005 (11:58 am)
"What makes you guys think this is even possible?"
Well, for one, Toyota said that the engine would have 166 horses in the RAV, and two, the addition of Dual VVTi has yielded a benefit of 1-2 MPG in the efficiency of the RAV 4 4 cylinder 4A (both FWD and AWD) according to the press release that went out today. Aerodynamics you argue? Fair enough, but aerodynamics dont play a significant role on the EPAs city figures, and those went up too.
So, thats why I believe its possible.
#565 of 5338 Re: Probably the 06 RAV engine [alpha01]
Nov 02, 2005 (12:14 pm)
OK, that sounds reasonable.
But aren't you comparing two different vehicles (this is a redesign correct?) with similar engines and attributing all of the mileage difference to the engine? Any reduction in weight or a more efficient transmission or reduction in drivetrain friction could have accounted for none, some, most, or all of the mileage improvement.
Hopefully, Toyota will deliver. It just seemed to me that you guys were attributing all of these changes to the engine and not other factors.
Any improvement in mileage will make Toyota the class leader. I'm skeptical that they are capable of getting into a big lead, though. Plus, the better they do with the standard 4, the less of a reason there will be to buy the hybrid version.
#566 of 5338 Re: Probably the 06 RAV engine [tradscott]
Nov 02, 2005 (12:14 pm)
Correction: The current generation is 0.28.
Nov 02, 2005 (12:15 pm)
Adjusted gearing can definitely improve economy, as would a different transmission, if necessary. Toyota is pretty good at more + more = MORE!
I'd like to se 26/35 or in that neighborhood.
That sounds right to me.
I believe the Hybrid will be V6 based, similar to the Accord Hybrid, with simiar mileage. I would've went after the 4 cylinder, but they may not want to derail the Prius express at this point.