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#4598 of 5338 Re: It's Motor Trend's Car of the Year [drjames]
Nov 23, 2006 (4:35 pm)
I don't know first hand. But it's very suspicious when the "Car of the Year" soon becomes the "Dud of the Year."
Look at these past "winners," as many are laughable in hindsight:
2006 Honda Civic
2005 Chrysler 300
2004 Toyota Prius
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe / Sedan
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser
2000 Lincoln LS
1999 Chrysler 300M
1998 Chevrolet Corvette
1997 Chevrolet Malibu
1996 Dodge Caravan
1995 Chrysler Cirrus
1994 Ford Mustang
1993 Ford Probe GT
1992 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan
1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ
1990 Lincoln Town Car
And, when the magazine comes out, you'll find self-congratulatory full-page ads from the winning manufacturer as well as similar ads from suppliers of parts for the winning car. Maybe I'm just a bit cynical.
For an insider's take, you might want to check out Pete DeLorenzo here (see last item). He had a much longer rant about Motor Trend a few weeks back, but he doesn't seem to have any links to past articles.
But for all that, I'm still glad the new Camry won this award, as it's a rare case of a car winning that actually deserves it.
#4599 of 5338 07 Camry Accessories?
Nov 23, 2006 (7:22 pm)
Just purchased a new 07' Camry and I'm wondering if anyone knew of any good web sites to purchase accessories for the vehicle? I'm wanting my Camry to stand out where I'm at, so any help any of you could provide would be much appreciated. Furthermore, I'm looking for some new wheels. Nothing ghetto fabulous, just sleek, modern, and sexy. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance guys' and gals'.
#4600 of 5338 Re: It's Motor Trend's Car of the Year [210delray]
Nov 23, 2006 (9:46 pm)
210delray, I understand that many of these past winners were less than desirable, however, it's tough to discuss the winners on their merits without knowing what other 'new' cars were released that given year. However, many of those past winners were significant and good if not very good products for their time, no?
As for the winning manufacturer advertising their awards and laurels... I would expect nothing less and really don't see much with this. Any and all winners do such regardless of manufacturer.
That said, the 07 Camry also just won last week the AJAC (Automotive Journalists Association of Canada)mid-size Car of the Year Award. The criteria for scoring is available online and the judges consist of literally every single automotive journalist in Canada voting regardless of publication and organization. To me, for EVERY SINGLE AUTO JOURNALIST in Canada to be 'on the take' from any Manufacturer let alone Toyota is completely beyond me and do agree it would be cynical to believe so.
#4601 of 5338 Re: It's Motor Trend's Car of the Year [ray_h1]
Nov 23, 2006 (9:50 pm)
" I'm of the opinion that the results of these beauty contests are influenced by outright payola. "
So why wouldn't the wealthiest manufacturer in the whole world --Toyota-- "pay" for every single award available for grabs? They could obviously afford it and no other manufacturer would say a thing since most would have done so in the past.
#4602 of 5338 Re: It's Motor Trend's Car of the Year [210delray]
Nov 24, 2006 (12:01 am)
In all fairness, a lot of those duds are because MT had separate Cars of the Year for Imports and Domestics up through the mid nineties. Your list would be more relevant if you looked at the Import Car of the Year winners in the early nineties, instead of the COY winners; at times there were like 6-8 entries, since the domestics redesign at galacial paces. SOMETHING had to win. This is probably part of the reason the two issuances were combined. With that in mind, I'd call the only relevant dud the unsightly Ford Thunderbird.
#4603 of 5338 Re: It's Motor Trend's Car of the Year [210delray]
Nov 24, 2006 (8:09 am)
)) "Maybe I'm just a bit cynical." ((
ray_h71's personal definition of cynicism: the ability to see clearly through Bovine Stuff.
#4604 of 5338 Re: It's Motor Trend's Car of the Year [alpha01]
Nov 24, 2006 (6:32 pm)
I "borrowed" the list from a poster at another automotive website, so I wasn't aware that Motor Trend was still splitting domestic vs. import COTYs into the 90s. But seriously, 1997 Malibu?
Fact is, I don't really give MT more than a passing glance, and haven't for some time. It was too "Kalifornia Kool" for a loooong time -- recently it seems to have improved, but if I read any of the buff books now, it's Car and Driver and Automobile. Most often, I just get my auto news from Edmunds and other web sites -- much more up to date. I think print is dying myself.
Anyhow, as ray_h1 alludes to, you gotta follow the money. There are huge bucks to made from advertising, and there's no doubt in my mind that such consideration taints any such "awards." Just look at this Edmunds screen -- ads up top, ads to the left. Somebody's gotta pay the freight -- it ain't us sitting at the computer!
However [I hate that cliche du jour "that said"], I'm still glad the '07 Camry won -- it's a breakthrough car IMO in spite of the naysayers and those who say it's endlessly boring.
#4605 of 5338 Re: It's Motor Trend's Car of the Year [drjames]
Nov 24, 2006 (6:41 pm)
Don't know much about that Canadian award, but it sounds like a better system. Still, a lot of so-called "auto journalists" seem to just parrot the manufacturers' press releases in their "reviews," with maybe a little nit pick here or there to prove they're "objective."
With regard to the advertising, it's not so blatant that Toyota pays up (as in a bribe), it's that the Motor Trend marketing people figure in advance who's going to ante up the most money in advertising if manufacturer "A" wins vs. manufacturer "B."
Please explain how the Mercedes GL class won the SUV of the Year Award from the same mag when "value" is supposed to be a consideration? I have not read much positive about this SUV elsewhere, yet it "won."
#4606 of 5338 Re: I4 versus v6
Nov 25, 2006 (9:34 am)
Will the V6 give me a much better shot at making it to 250,000 miles? I do big millage and I plan to keep my car.
#4607 of 5338 Re: I4 versus v6 [mort6]
Nov 25, 2006 (11:16 am)
It doesn't matter much. The strongest part of any Toyota is the engine. 250,000 should be well within the range of either the I4 or V6.