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WSJ Notes Increased Problems for Toyota by priggly
Aug 24, 2006 (6:41 pm)
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"Toyota is considering slowing its growth plans and delaying some new-model launches as recalls due to quality problems rise."
 
http://online.wsj.com/public/us
 
It's obviously getting increasingly difficult to overlook or deny the company's snowballing quality issues.
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Re: WSJ Notes Increased Problems for Toyota [priggly] by jbollt
Aug 24, 2006 (7:57 pm)
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Replying to: priggly (Aug 24, 2006 6:41 pm)

priggly, your love for Chevys aside, it would be nice if you post the whole article, so the forum readers can be assured that one statement you quoted from the article in the WSJ isn't taken out of context. The article you linked to, it seems, is only available to subscribers.
 
Without the whole article as reference, your comment about snowballing quality issues... becomes YOUR opinion, and should be stated as such.
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Re: WSJ Notes Increased Problems for Toyota [jbollt] by priggly
Aug 24, 2006 (10:25 pm)
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Replying to: jbollt (Aug 24, 2006 7:57 pm)

Without the whole article as reference, your comment about snowballing quality issues... becomes YOUR opinion, and should be stated as such.
 
I am not a subscriber either so I can't post the whole article but here is some more from the carconnection.com:
 
"Toyota Cutting New Products?
 
Toyota may be slowing down the number of new products it is developing in response to an increased number of recalls, the Wall Street Journal reported in its online edition Thursday. The report says the slowdown might only equal six months or so in the company's product cycle, but would be a major acknowledgement that even the world's richest car company may be expanding too fast. The paper cites several major, recent recalls including those on Tundra pickups and the Prius hybrid as influencing the discussion at Toyota. Vehicle lines that could be affected include the Sienna minivan, Avalon sedan, and Camry Solara coupe. Last year, Toyota recalled 2.38 million vehicles in the U.S., or about 120,000 more than it sold in the year."
 
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Daily_Auto_News/Daily_Auto_News_Aug_25- _2006.S173.A10797.html
 
No, it's not simply my opinion so don't try to twist the words around.
 
"Last year, Toyota recalled 2.38 million vehicles in the U.S., or about 120,000 more than it sold in the year."
 
If a car company has to recall more cars than they sell during the entire year, most objective observers would say they have a problem, denials of the aficionados notwithstanding.
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Re: WSJ Notes Increased Problems for Toyota [jbollt] by satire2
Aug 24, 2006 (10:59 pm)
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Replying to: jbollt (Aug 24, 2006 7:57 pm)

It's not priggly's opinion. It's sourced from the Wall Street Journal, and here it is, as picked up by Reuters:
 
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=n- T224910&imageid=&cap=&from=business
 
I have no dog in this fight. I'm someone who is interested in the car industry who has owned Camrys in the past and now happens to own two Subarus - a company which will soon be assembling Camrys for Toyota at its Indiana Legacy/Tribeca plant.
 
I've been following the Camry woes. It appears to be a classic example of too much expansion, too fast. It will be interesting to see what, if any, penalty Toyota pays for apparently letting quality slide.
 
I assume Honda will be the big winner, if the upcoming Accord is screwed together properly and is properly engineered.
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WSJ and Toyota by pat HOST
Aug 25, 2006 (3:24 am)
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Priggly has proven his point. But these articles are not about Camrys and this is not the right place for discussion of Toyota's troubles as a manufacturer.
 
There are a number of Toyota-related discussions over in Automotive News & Views to pursue this. One easy way to find them is click on that link and then use your browser's Find function for "Toyota". You'll see a number of discussions you'll want to check out.
 
Thanks!
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Re: People in this forun with LE 4 cyl camry 2007 [ilovecars1] by mcdawgg
Aug 25, 2006 (4:02 am)
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Replying to: ilovecars1 (Aug 24, 2006 5:47 am)

Don't let that stop you - it is never too late to learn! Then you get a little better mpg, and less potential problems, because automatics from any manufacturer are less reliable than manual transmissions.
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Re: People in this forun with LE 4 cyl camry 2007 [mcdawgg] by beantown
Aug 25, 2006 (4:26 am)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Aug 25, 2006 4:02 am)

because automatics from any manufacturer are less reliable than manual transmissions.
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this has to be the most inaccurate statement ever made....
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Re: People in this forun with LE 4 cyl camry 2007 [beantown] by mcdawgg
Aug 25, 2006 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: beantown (Aug 25, 2006 4:26 am)

And I would completely disagree!! Please go to message #769 of "The Future of the Manual Transmission." We should continue this debate there. Back to the Camry.
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Re: People in this forun with LE 4 cyl camry 2007 [mcdawgg] by beantown
Aug 25, 2006 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Aug 25, 2006 8:19 am)

And I would completely disagree!! Please go to message #769 of "The Future of the Manual Transmission." We should continue this debate there. Back to the Camry.
 
I'm confused. You refer to a post of one person's opinion that a mannual tranny is better, on page 42 of a 60 page thread (of which most of pages 43-60 appear to discredit everything you say). Not sure where reliability comes into play there.
 
Either way, how about this: Camry auto trannys are known to last 300,000+ miles with minimal maintenance. Show me one clutch that will last that long.
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Re: People in this forun with LE 4 cyl camry 2007 [beantown] by mcdawgg
Aug 25, 2006 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: beantown (Aug 25, 2006 11:01 am)

Clutches will last at least 175,000 IF driven properly. Then, it is around $800 to replace. How much does it cost to repair an automatic? I know people who have spent in excess of $1,500 to repair their automatics, and they have failed well below 175,000 miles. Honestly, in all my reading and experiences, you are one of the very few people who believes that automatics are more durable. Just my OPINION and experiences. This is my last post in this forum about this topic. Let's discuss elsewhere - back to Camry.
 
From what I am seeing on the net, the only Camry I would consider from a reliability standpoint is a manual. The new automatics seem to have a lot of problems. And Honda automatics still scare me too.

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