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#2625 of 5338 Re: It's Toyota Quality Control not the American Worker that's the Problem Here [dimon12]
Apr 10, 2006 (6:27 am)
I think we're painting with an overly broad brush here. I had a 1997 Camry, which happened to be built in Japan. It was a great car, very reliable, and I sold it on eBay 2 years ago at 111K miles.
The "decontenting" issue is much ballyhooed, but the '97 earned a Good in the IIHS frontal offset crash test, an improvement over the Acceptable of the prior generation. The '97 had adjustable rear head restraints, unlike the older model. Some decontenting involved trivial issues, like combining the separate parking lamps and turn signal lamps into single assemblies on the later model.
Yes, the Japanese and American built Camrys use different suppliers to a certain extent. However, the larger suppliers like Denso and Bosch are global companies that have operations in the US (both are Toyota suppliers).
Any documentation I have seen about differences between Japanese-built vs. US-built versions of the same car indicate their quality is comparable.
Plus I have Kentucky-built '04 and '05 Camrys and they are of excellent build quality with no problems to date.
#2626 of 5338 Re: It's Toyota Quality Control not the American Worker that's the Problem
Apr 10, 2006 (6:36 am)
Just out of curiosity, how much did you get for that '97 Camry?
#2627 of 5338 Re: It's Toyota Quality Control not the American Worker that's the Problem Here [210delray]
Apr 10, 2006 (7:39 am)
Ditto my 97 LE which went 186,000 miles when I needed to do some tranny work on it so I traded it for $2000 'as-is' without fixing the tranny. Other than that it was problem free.
#2628 of 5338 Re: It's Toyota Quality Control not the American Worker that's the Problem [pat]
Apr 10, 2006 (10:05 am)
$4301, well over my reserve of $3500. It was a very easy way to sell a car.
#2629 of 5338 Re: It's Toyota Quality Control not the American Worker that's the Problem Here [dimon12]
Apr 10, 2006 (12:26 pm)
It may not be a problem, but I will be hesitant to get Subaru made Camries next year. At least until 2008. Pretty recently introduced Toyota's models (Sienna '04 in 2003 and Avalon in 2005) had their share of initial quality problems that since have been addressed. In relation to Camry, I'm sure Toyota has learned a lot, but I just expect Kentucky plant to have more experience in building and getting bugs ironed out.
#2630 of 5338 Re: It's Toyota Quality Control not the American Worker that's the Problem Here [virtking]
Apr 10, 2006 (1:00 pm)
For this reason I wouldn't be surprised if the Subie plant got all or most of the CE/LE models now that the hybrids will also be made in KY.
#2631 of 5338 Re: It's Toyota Quality Control not the American Worker that's the Problem
Apr 10, 2006 (1:22 pm)
I'm afraid your anecdotal data doesn't mean a thing. You can't infer quality differences based on a sample size of one. The quality of Toyotas built in the US is almost always rated very high by objective measures (Consumer Reports, JD Power) with very high sample sizes. You are entitled to your opinion but your "facts" are wrong. Good luck with whatever you decide to buy.
#2632 of 5338 Re: It's Toyota Quality Control not the American Worker that's the Problem Here [virtking]
Apr 10, 2006 (1:47 pm)
as an owner of an early 05 Avalon, can testify to the fact that Toyota did have some relatively minor probelms at least as far as my car is concerned - one reacll for an improperly welded steering yoke, the other for a small oil leak from a transfer tube from the heads to the oil pan. The steering thing never seemed to be a problem, the oil leak ended up being multiple visits to the dealer because they couldn't really figure out where the leak was coming from. No fit/finish or quality of assembly issues - my car made in Ky. Since the Camry has an established 4 banger, and a V6 that has already been out for more than a year, would imagine the Camry will actually have less 'teething' problems. Would be interested to know from those of you that have purchased the V6 whether you have experienced any transmission 'gear hunting' - a function of Toyota's trans. control programs on many its its cars (incl Lexus)?
#2633 of 5338 Re: Hows does this car compare with others? [heavensoldier]
Apr 10, 2006 (4:29 pm)
If your going to pay anywhere near $28,000 plus (which I've read some people have already done so for a V6 XLE or SE), then you must consider an Avalon XL or XLS for $26,000 to $29,000. I purchased a 2005 XLS for $28,000, for my better half, after initially shopping for a Camry - there was a marked difference in 2005.
After test driving a 2007 Camry XLE V6 last week, I was impressed with all upgrades as compared to previously test driven 2005 Camry V6 - but there still remains a marked difference with Avalon - I cannot possibly see paying more for the 2007 XLE than a 2006 Avalon XLS/XL.
Instead, I am considering the 2007 Lexus ES350 which will be available in the low $30K right before the 2008's - a new 2005 ES350 can be had for $30,100 right now. To me, if a fully loaded XLE will run about $28, what's a couple thousand more for a XLS or ES350 - if I can afford it.
For the non-toyota believers (US or Japan made)- I believe in action, actual behavior and measureable results especially with high cost auto prices and repairs. Luckily and consistently my family have had only excellent results with toyota -
1984 toyota pickup -given away after 220K mi, still running
1992 lexus sc400 - 190K mi - no major problems, still going
1995 avalon xls - 130K mi - given to son, still going
2000 camry xle - 86K mi- no prolems - still going
2002 tundra - 38K mi - no problems - like a rock
#2634 of 5338 Re: XLE interior [camble94]
Apr 10, 2006 (5:22 pm)
I have a 2000 Accord EX with 125,000 miles. Went out to replace it this weekend (giving car to college graduate daughter). On way to the Honda dealer stopped by Toyota to look at the new Camry XLE. Never got to the Honda dealer. Love the car. More comfortable, quieter and the sound system is GREAT. Tell your wife the center radio area looks REALLY GOOD in the dark. Have her drive both cars before making a decision. For comfort and luxury my money is on the Camry, and I drive over 400 miles per week.