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Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences BMW Z4 Prices Paid and Buying Experience
496 messages, Last post on Dec 05, 2009 at 5:39 PM
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I am considering getting a Z4 (or Z3 w/lo miles) for commute purposes... it has two seats and the car pool requires 3 unless you only have two seats! my dilemma is... purchase used, new or lease. i live approx 40mi from my destination (80 per day) so i am not certain that a lease would be effective. i have looked at used but they are pretty pricey... almost as much as new w/o the incentives. can someone give me advice on this? i have a trade-in (98 LR RR4.6HSE w/51Kmi) so purchasing from a dealer in either case is pretty essential. if i buy used, how much wiggle room do i have and if new is it more beneficial due to warranty, incentives, financing, etc. thanks...i appreciate any assistance you can offer!
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Replying to: nmckain (Sep 07, 2004 3:06 pm) In your case the best deal would be a CPO car. This will give you warranty coverage for upto 6 years from the start date or 100K miles. Buy the extended maintenance program ($1K) and you are set with no maintenance/warranty costs for upto 100K miles, except for tires, insurance and gas. Since you are going to be commuting, avoid the 3.0 Sports Package with the 18" wheel. The runflats on the 18" make the ride very hard and not good for commuting. A 3.0 non-Sports or a 2.5 Sports, both with 17" wheels are better for commuting. I also considered a Z3 before going for the Z4 but they are not in the same league. A Z4 is much better car than the Z3 when it comes to the driving dynamics. In order to come up with an offer for a CPO car, I would use this formula: 1. Find the current invoice cost of a new 2004 Z4 with similar equipment (edmunds, carsdirect etc.). 2. Subtract the current incentives ($6500 for 3.0 and $5000 for 2.5); add $1000 for dealer profit. This is the going price for 2004 Z4. 3. Reduce the price you get in #2 by about 20% for the 1st year depreciation. 4. Add $1000 to the price in #3 to come up with a fair market value for the CPO car. Most dealers, especially in the North East and the MidWest will take this deal. They do not want to be stuck with these pre-owned cars for too long. You may end up paying $1000-$2000 more than the number you come up with in #4 but walk if they ask for more. There are a lot of Z4s for sale on EBay, many of them from BMW dealers. Very few of them are selling since the reserves are not being met. Once in a while you get a steal; a 2003 3.0 with less than 10K miles went for $30K, a full $15K less than MSRP last week. If you do your home work well, you should be able to get a 2.5 CPO for around $31-32K and a 3.0 CPO for about $34-36K.
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Replying to: cuco (Sep 05, 2004 11:53 am) I have been looking at the Z4 for a while and now (September) they have very good lease offers. I have the opportunity to get a z4 with power top MSRP is $35570. When I see the BMW site it says that downpayment will be 2500 and monthly payments will be $320 (with taxes). Now I went to a dealer and I know the dealers are getting $5000 from BMW...so I expected to get the car for $35570 - $ 5000 = $30570. This will make the monthly payments lower. However, the dealer is telling me that the $5000 are built in the lease and that's why the lease is so low. He is saying that when BMW talks about $320 monthly payments for the car BMW is including the $5000 discount already there. is this true?
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Replying to: vsaxena (Sep 07, 2004 11:13 pm) WOW...you are brilliant! Thank you so much for y our help! You really opened my eyes and gave me some amazing info! I now feel armed to do battle. I live on the West Coast and convertibles are premium here but I can go in feeling more comfortable dealing with dealers!!! Thanks again, and keep up the good advice. You are an asset to this site~! Nancy |
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Replying to: marcos (Sep 08, 2004 7:58 am) Your MSRP of $35570 has an invoice price of about $32800. What I did in negotiating for the Z4 is work from the Invoice price, not the MSRP. A few people in these forums have been able to purchase or lease a new 2004 Z4 after giving the dealer just $500 to $1000 in profit. What I would do in your case is the following: 1 - Try offering the dealer (Invoice - 5000 + 500), in other words, about $28300 for the car. This gives the dealer $500 in profit. I personally wouldn't go above $1000 profit for the dealer. That is, your purchase price should be between $28300 and $28800. If not, IMO, you're paying too much. Remember, they are motivated to get rid of the 2004 roadsters. Roadsters, in general, are not selling well. If they don't go for this, be prepare to walk to another dealer or a different car. If you really want the Z4, then they are going to get some extra money from you. 2 - If you are going to lease, go to the leasing forum in this site and ask the host, Car_man what the residual is for the 2004 Z4 2.5 liter this month. Remember, you have to tell Car_man the number of miles that you want to be able to drive per year and the number of months in your lease. 3 - Once you have the best purchase price for the car, the residual percentage, and the current money factor of 0.002, you'll be able to figure out the monthly amount. 4 - If you do your homework you should be able to do a lot better than $320 per month. For example, last month the residual for a 36 month lease and 10000 miles per year was 58%. If that residual still applies in September, then such a lease in your case should cost only about $251 a month, before taxes, and assuming $2500 down. The same, without a down payment would be about $326. |
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Marcos.. good advice by cuco. Forget the lease calculator on the website or what you see in the ads.. You can almost always do better.
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Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 08, 2004 9:06 am) Thanks
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Replying to: marcos (Sep 08, 2004 10:33 am) Z4 2.5i Money Factor .00200 Base Rate (good for all terms and mileage) 24 mo/15k mi = 59% residual - 36 mo/15k mi = 51% residual 24 mo/12k mi = 61% residual - 36 mo/12k mi = 52% residual 24 mo/10k mi = 62% residual - 36 mo/10k mi = 53% residual Z4 3.0i Money Factor .00200 Base Rate (good for all terms and mileage) 24 mo/15k mi = 59% residual - 36 mo/15k mi = 50% residual 24 mo/12k mi = 61% residual - 36 mo/12k mi = 52% residual 24 mo/10k mi = 62% residual - 36 mo/10k mi = 53% residual LEASE CALCULATOR Capitalized Cost (CC) = purchase price + acquisition fee - cap cost reduction. Residual (RD) = % of MSRP (not purchase price). Monthly Lease payment (CC - RD)/# of months + (CC + RD) * Money Factor. Add Tax to above. Drive Off = security deposit, license fee, first month's payment (with 0 down payment towards cap cost reduction). ALWAYS PUT 0 down towards cap cost reduction.
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Replying to: vsaxena (Sep 09, 2004 8:28 pm) Thanks for the post. I've been trying to get the residuals for the Z4 for this month. Where do you get these numbers? I leased my Z4 last month. Last month, the 3 liter 10K miles, 36 month lease had a residual of 58% and a manufacturer-to-dealer incentive of $4500. My lease came out to $397 per month, including taxes in N.J. I just went through the calculations for my car, based on the 53% residual and $6500 incentive. I went ahead and assumed that I would get the $2000 extra incentive between August and September for my lease, and the number came out to about $400 a month. That is, leasing this month would have cost the same, even with the $2000 extra for the incentive. I guess what this means is that 3 years from now, I may be able to get the car for 53% of the MSRP instead of the 58% MSRP from last month. It seems the residual takes a deep drop right after the manufacturer stops taking orders for the previous model year car, as it happened for BMW in August.
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Replying to: cuco (Sep 10, 2004 6:20 pm) Your calculations are indeed correct. They had to drop the residuals by the amount they were increasing the incentives for. Otherwise the depreciation on a car stickered for $48.5K would have been just $11K over three years!! The only issue is that we will have to negotiate the residual lower. The current wholesale price of 2003 Z4s 3.0 is in the low 30s. It is very likely that three years from now, the price of a 2004 Z4 will be in the low 20s and not the high 20s which our residuals currently are.
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