You are here: Forums Sedans Hyundai Sonata Hyundai Sonata 2006-2007

Hyundai Sonata 2006-2007

7816 messages,  Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 2:02 PM

You are in the Hyundai Sonata Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Sedan

Messages Page 7 of 782 1 ... 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... 782 Prev Next Last

Go To Msg # Search This Discussion

#61 of 7816 Re: [delta4] by attgig Sep 15, 2004 (9:15 pm)
Replying to: delta4 (Sep 13, 2004 5:08 pm) not sure what the 2.4 spits out, but the 6 is supposed to give 245 hp. I hope they stick that engine in the tiburon....now THAT would be a car worth looking at.
#62 of 7816 Kia Optima by pzev Sep 17, 2004 (8:51 am)
There's a Kia Optima interior picture floating around now.   http://server5.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-special1095404257_2.jp- g   And here are exterior pictures for those who haven't seen it yet.   http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/H/hyundai/03-large/Hy- undai-Elantra-01.jpg   http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/H/hyundai/03-large/Hy- undai-Elantra-02.jpg   http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/H/hyundai/03-large/Hy- undai-Elantra-03.jpg   http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/H/hyundai/03-large/Hy- undai-Elantra-04.jpg   http://img80.exs.cx/img80/824/hyundai_elantra-1.jpg   http://img80.exs.cx/img80/420/hyundai_elantra-2.jpg   You may have to copy and paste some of those. And obviously that's not the Elantra. I don't think there's been a legit picture of the Elantra yet. The Elantra is being released after all these other cars (Rio, Accent, Optima, XG, etc.) so it sort of makes sense it hasn't been photographed yet.
#63 of 7816 ray h by pzev Sep 17, 2004 (9:11 am)
Just to let you know, with the info you gave me I'm still only getting a value of $9125. That's with 30,000 miles, using a 1998 Accord (6 year old Accord), California zipcode, LX automatic, and this time I used private party value instead of dealer trade-in value.   I still stand behind what I said. There's just no way to sell an over 6 year old Accord for $11,500. There may be a few people crazy enough to go for it but it's highly unlikely most people can find someone to take it at that price.   There are easily ways to save money by getting a Sonata or other car compared to the Accord, resale value is only part of the equation. From the values I get what you lose in resale value on the Sonata you gain upfront on the money you save. Also some people may have 0% financing on the Sonata where it's less likely on an Accord. Insurance and gas mileage are factors. Also the numbers I compared were against the top-level trim Sonata, the V6 version. Get a 4-cyl version and save even more money.   Keep the Sonata for 5 years and take advantage of the 5 year warranty and I think you're no worse off than having a 5 year old Accord. The significant amount of money saved upfront on the Sonata balances it all out IMO.
#64 of 7816 Plus, you get the superior body design of by iluvmysephia1 Sep 17, 2004 (12:53 pm)
the new 2006 Hyundai Sonata. It just looks better than Accord or Camry. It also has that great Long-Haul Warranty. Oh, the Warranty does work. I've used it with my '01 Kia Sportage 4x4 and it does help you if you need it. Fortunately, my Sportage 4x4 has been very reliable and I haven't had to use the Long-Haul much at all.   Everybody read pzev's message just above mine and think about it for a second. It helps make my point...one I've been making at this and several other car sites for years-the HyunKia machine is the future in our automotive needs. Enjoy their shot to the top and get in on the fun, dudes. Replies to this message: alpha01 (Sep 17, 2004 3:46 pm)
#65 of 7816 Re: Plus, you get the superior body design of [iluvmysephia1] by alpha01 Sep 17, 2004 (3:46 pm)
Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Sep 17, 2004 12:53 pm) I have no problem getting in on any type of fun, but one thing you need to realize is that styling is purely subjective, and unless its at one extreme (the original Lexus SC) or another (the Aztec), it doesnt really matter much in a vehicles qualitative analysis.   PZEV- No mention of your allegation that I am anti-Hyundai? How come? Have you realized that I am not?   ~alpha
#66 of 7816 alpha1-what makes you think that by iluvmysephia1 Sep 17, 2004 (5:12 pm)
I'm only talking about styling when I discuss the superiority of the HyunKia product? You're overlooking the enormous quality strides Hyundai and Kia have made. Incidentally, people make this assertion that Kia has been "helped" so much by Hyundai. Humm...I already had my quality 1999 Kia Sephia that is a Kia product through and through when the "improvements" Hyundai allegedly gave Kia were implemented. I know from experience that the Kia product is solid and "sound as an Austin Powers pound". Even by Sept.'01 when I traded the Sephia in on my '01 Sportage 4x4 Hyundai wasn't doing squat to help Kia. Prove to me what they had done then to "help" Kia Motors of South Korea. Notta thing, man. Remember, Kia is operating on their own expense and earnings timetable and operating room. True, they are 51%-owned by Hyundai, but do they give a percentage of their profit to Hyundai? Can you tell me? You can't, because it's their bid-ness, gentlemen! True, Kia is using some platforms that are Hyundai's to build their magnificent driving machines on. That doesn't mean Hyundai "helped turn their entire program around", does it? Answer is, it doesn't. If anyone can prove to me how Hyundai has helped Kia specifically, lay it out real nice and slow for me here, OK? That being said, Hyundai is doing a fine job, too. The money you save on either a Hyundai or a Kia coupled with the Long-Haul makes a HyunKia purchase the most intelligent one that can be made at this time in human history. Enjoy your new Drive-By Truckers CD(their new CD is entitled 'The Dirty South'). Also, Brett Favre has promised a Super Bowl appearance for the Green Bay Packers this year. Re-hee-ha-he-ha-heaalllllyyyy!!!!!! =:) Replies to this message: alpha01 (Sep 17, 2004 6:53 pm)
#67 of 7816 alpha01 by pzev Sep 17, 2004 (5:21 pm)
I was trying to drop the subject but if you want to keep it going then fine by me. I still can't figure out how you don't see a resemblance between those 3 cars and their taillights.   Sounds like you just wanted to avoid the question and use an example that can't be used against you. There's no copying the Volvo S40 since I doubt the tC designers went out of their way to copy it based on the timing of their debuts. Of course maybe they had access to what the Volvo S40 was going to look like and did it, who knows.   Do you admit that all companies copy each other? So why is the tC taillights looking like the Tiburon ok (both compete against each other like the Sonata and Accord) but the Sonata is a "pretender"? The taillights have a slightly different shape (just like the Sonata/Accord do) but you can't tell me it's pure coincidence that they look so similar.   Do you think the tC designers were living under a rock and just by coincidence made the taillights look similar to the Tiburon? Yes they are very similar whether you want to admit to it or not. You just need to explain to me how Hyundai copying is different from Toyota or someone else doing it. Otherwise why go out of your way to call it a "pretender" but somehow make it out that other companies aren't doing the same thing. This is why I think you're biased.
#68 of 7816 pzev by alpha01 Sep 17, 2004 (6:48 pm)
"You just need to explain to me how Hyundai copying is different from Toyota or someone else doing it."   I definitely agree that many vehicles have styling cues from others. My point is that is makes no sense for Toyota to intentionally copy the styling of a vehicle that sells fairly poorly (the Tiburon), moving out the door only with incentives, especially when Toyota's intention from the get-go was to offer a non-negotiable price on the vehicle. And, I did NOT say it is OK for Toyota or Honda to copy styling cues, but not for Hyundai. For better or for worse, Hyundai is trying to capitalize on portraying an image of the well-respected, award winning Accord, and my only comment was that FOR ME, it says "pretender". In designing the vehicle, I dont feel that Toyota was aiming for its Scion buyers to feel the image of the Tiburon. That just doesnt make sense.   In any case, the "pretender" comment IS MY SINGLE COMPLAINT about the new Sonata, which looks incredibly promising at this stage. Why is it so outlandish for you to just accept the criticsm of one person?   Basically, for you, the fact that I like the Sonata based on the limited information available, would consider buying one, and strongly considered buying an Elantra a year and a half ago.... is completely discounted by the fact that I see a similarity between the new Sonata and the Accord, and resultingly have a negative reaction? And therefore, I am biased against Hyundai?   Thats not very sound logic....   ~alpha
#69 of 7816 Re: alpha1-what makes you think that [iluvmysephia1] by alpha01 Sep 17, 2004 (6:53 pm)
Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Sep 17, 2004 5:12 pm) When you say something like "It just looks better than Accord or Camry." that makes me think you're talking about styling.   ~alpha
#70 of 7816 alpha01 by pzev Sep 17, 2004 (8:10 pm)
"My point is that is makes no sense for Toyota to intentionally copy the styling of a vehicle that sells fairly poorly (the Tiburon), moving out the door only with incentives, especially when Toyota's intention from the get-go was to offer a non-negotiable price on the vehicle. And, I did NOT say it is OK for Toyota or Honda to copy styling cues, but not for Hyundai. For better or for worse, Hyundai is trying to capitalize on portraying an image of the well-respected, award winning Accord, and my only comment was that FOR ME, it says "pretender"."   And you wonder why I think you're biased? Reread what you just said. There's no way Toyota is copying the Tiburon (DIRECT competition for the tC) because of sales numbers, yet Hyundai is surely copying the Accord because of it being "well-respected" and "award winning"?   Give me a break. Lots of people make the comparison between the tC and the Tiburon. If Toyota was trying to avoid styling cues of a *gasp* Hyundai they failed miserably.   What you're saying is that it is pure coincidence that the tC taillights resemble the Tiburon. You also seem to be saying copying styling cues is purely based on sales numbers, and if a car is not meeting sales goals and is using incentives that there's no way another company would copy any styling cues from it.   This is why I think you're biased. You absolutely refuse to admit that the tC designers maybe, just maybe, looked at the Tiburon and decided to use similar taillights. This is the exact same thing as the Sonata/Accord taillights.   Just think about it for a second. The Tiburon and tC are direct competition. Toyota could have chosen any number of taillight designs but they chose what they did, which looks very similar to the Tiburon. Why would they by your logic avoid copying a car that is not a good seller but yet by pure coincidence the taillights look so similar? This makes no sense whatsoever.   This is why I was dropping the subject. You REFUSE to admit the possibility Toyota would copy the Tiburon. Replies to this message: alpha01 (Sep 19, 2004 7:21 am) delta4 (Sep 20, 2004 4:08 am) alpha01 (Sep 20, 2004 4:38 am)

Messages Page 7 of 782 1 ... 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... 782 Prev Next Last

Go To Msg # Search This Discussion

You are here: Forums Sedans Hyundai Sonata Hyundai Sonata 2006-2007