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Not to take anything away from the Accord, but I've heard several stories of all brands where someone got some crazy amount from the insurance company. If I knew I could get $11,500 for a 6 year old Accord that was bought for $17,000 then I'd buy an Accord, even with its current styling. I just don't think this is the real world and I would get that amount, it would be significantly less. I mean what are we talking about here. A brand new car used for 6 years and only loses $5500 in value? I won't hold my breath thinking I could get the same for an Accord. I'm being serious, if you can show me that people are paying this amount for a 6 year old Accord then I will with no hesitation buy an Accord. I'm being flat out serious. Talk about a diamond in the rough. Only losing $5500 on a brand new car in 6 years? Sign me up! |
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Replying to: pzev (Sep 11, 2004 1:49 pm) Pzev, you think Im anti-Hyundai but you seem to forget that when I purchased my Sentra 2.5LE, the only other car that I truly looked at was the Elantra. I chose the Sentra over it for a few basic reasons: the Sentra is significantly quicker, (coming out of a torque-free 94 Civic DX auto, I wanted some...), the 2.5LE came with standard ABS and discs, and the IIHS test on the Sentra was better than the Elantra's poor (though 'Acceptable' is hardly stellar, its obviously the better of the two). If I could have found an Elantra 4 door with ABS, it would have been a tougher decision. Big credits in the Elantra column was the long warranty, good fit and finish, and better (much smoother) ride. (BTW, it came down to the Sentra and Elantra because I was really interested in getting side airbags with head and chest protections, and at the time, those were the only two that offered this at a reasonable price). ~alpha |
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delta4, yes, Hyundai has, indeed, come a long way. I just hope the company understands that its competition isn't standing still, either, and that one misstep could throw 'em back several years in sales. Buyers may be more inclined to forgive a glitch in Honda and Toyota quality because they're confident the problems (both at the manufacturing end and the servicing end) will be rectified reasonably quickly. Hyundai's prior quality probs (and too often accompanied by botched fixes at that) are still sufficiently fresh in the public's psyche that I feel the company has less leeway to err. pzev, while I haven't any intention of double-checking your research which you shared, I do want to point out that prior to receiving a settlement offer from the GEICO adjuster, I had done a little homework of my own - consulting both Kelly Blue Book and Edmunds online. Both services' median valuations agreed with each other within ~$30.00 as I recall. These figures were for a six year old '96 Accord LX in "excellent" condition (no body dings, very minor and very few paint blemishes and near original gloss, no uphostery damage, no mechanical damage or defects, and all equipment working - at least prior to the collision...) with no optional or upgraded equipment. (I have simple tastes and my Accord LX I4 with automatic transmission fit mine perfectly - after I installed adhesive rosewood dash and door panel inserts...) The fact that my LX only had ~30,000 total miles didn't hurt the valuation, either. (yes, VERY unusual for a six+ year old car in California - got that car several months before I retired in 1996.) I expected to have a fight with the adjuster, but she was surprisingly pleasantly knowledgable, and cooperative. Her first words were that she hoped I had already researched the standard valuation services for a vehicle of mine's make, age, prior condition, and equipment. She then gave me the figure she had worked out and volunteered that if I insisted, I could probably get another $100.00 without a fight just by refusing the first offer. However, it would have to be cleared by GEICO's San Diego regional office which might delay things a week. The figure she gave me was about $25.00 over the average of the Kelly Blue Book and Edmunds medians. Call me stupid, but, 1> I wanted this over with, and 2> since the settlement offer was so close to my own research, I saw no honor in trying to screw the company for every last dime. I authorized her to process the check in the amount of her settlement offer which then arrived 48 hours later.
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I do not know alpha01 personally but I find his comments on any vehicle to be truly unbiased and well-thought out. I have read his comments on many vehicles. Based on the photos of the 05 Sonata that we have all seen, alpha's comment about the 05 Sonata's rear being very similar to the Accord's is beyond dispute. That and the fact that he has given credit for Hyundai where credit is due makes his arguments very credible. We all have to learn to accept valid criticism without questioning the motives of the critic.
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Replying to: ray h (Sep 12, 2004 3:52 pm) Ray thanks for acknowledging the obvious. No one believes the competition is not aware of Hyundai's threat to challenge the market leaders. The point is that this company has committed itself to being a serious contender by investing over a billion (with a B! lol)in the U.S. by building a state-of-the-art manufacturing plant in Alabama. Auto manufacturers do not commit those kinds of resources without an eye to the future or a belief that they can challenge the current market leaders. Hyundai knows whats riding on the line. Quality and value are the only two important attributes that the company is focused on. I think we both can agree on that. |
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I'm simply taking a wait and see attitude about accepting the optomistic presumption that Murphy will be caught napping with this brand new model Sonata being produced in a brand new factory on foreign shores by a local labor force supervised under Korean management style. This arrangement could end up being the most efficient initial startup in the history of serial industrial production. Or not. Check me if I'm wrong, but I believe both the initial American produced Accord and Camry offerings were of models already into their second year of production in the home market, weren't they? If that is correct, having the initial model changeover production bugs weaned out helped a good deal in the American produced cars meeting and maintaining their respective companies' QC standards. Of course, as later models were intro'd, both companies could manage the risk of bringing them online simultaneously in both markets because the manufacturing infrastructure and labor-management kinks had long since been worked out. I'll definitely credit the Koreans with unbounded, wide-eyed optimism, though. They might just pull if off!
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Replying to: ray h (Sep 13, 2004 8:47 am) Ray, you made an excellent point. I was thinking same. Btw, have you seen the specs for the power train for the '06 Sonata? From what I've read there will be a 2.4 V-Tech 4 and 3.3 V-Tech 6. Horsepower range somewhere in the 170's or a bit higher for the 4 and 230ish for the 6. The fact that they invested the requisite resources to developed these engines convinces me that they are maturing as a company and begining to emulate the Japanese.
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Replying to: aristotle (Sep 12, 2004 8:39 pm) ~alpha |
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While I won't be in the market, I'll be VERY interested in the technical aspects of these two new engines*. Are the blocks based on current designs or are these bad boys totally new from the oil drain plug up? Am I to presume that "V-Tech" designates variable valve timing/duration? Also, all-aluminum? *Can someone explain to me the auto manufacturers' preoccupation with engine covers? Do the things actually serve a purpose other than making routine servicing more difficult and time consuming, retaining heat, and hiding the intrinsic beauty of a well executed power plant? Aren't hoods sufficient? (You'll never guess where the one from my Sonata ended up...) |
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when totaled, one will get highest resale velu instead of whole sale value. I boght 93 ford festive when I was 15 (even before got licence) for $3900. but I totaled the car in 1996 and got $6400 from statefarm. I believe new car cost less than $8000 back then.... |
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