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#1288 of 7872 some comments on the 2006 sonata
Jul 10, 2005 (4:34 pm)
okay folks. I tested two sonatas and one camry today and I'll give you my thoughts.
First the sonatas --- I tested a GL (obviously 4 cyl) 2006 sonata today for about 20 miles. It was peppy but the engine was noticeably loud. Brakes worked great. stereo wasn't bad. Wind noise wasn't too bad but with the michelin MXV4's, there was road noise. Manual seats were okay once you got set. AC was powerful. there wasn't any engine vibration through the steering wheel. I like the view in front and rear in this car. It feels sporty. Nice engine layout, easy to get to oil canister (has a instert, not a spin-on like most cars do but it's easy to access). The oil plug is a little far back on the back side of the oil pan. Most likely will have to raise vehicle or drive on ramps (the 1994-1996 and 1997-2001 versions you have great access to the oil filter on the engine top side and the drain plug has easy access, you don't have to raise the vehicle to do this. The 2004 accords I have to drive on ramps to access the oil filter on the upper back side of the engine - sucks). Anyway, not a bad car. It ran at about 2500 RPM's at 70MPH and when I compare to the camry, I seriously doubt the 4 cyl sonata will achieve 33 MPG on the highway. MSRP was 19500. The car has a donut spare (that sucks).
Finally test drove a GLS-V6. It was quieter, a good bit faster as expected with 235 HP vs. 162 HP. Very nice but the engine compartment is jammed packed and it will get less MPG than the 4 cyl (okay, I stated the obvious). I like to work on my own cars for minor things and the 6 is 10 lbs of poop in a 5 lb bag. I won't get the 6 cyl but it was really nice. Those who don't do their own maintance or care about less MPG, then that's the better choice. MSRP was 22,500
The camry was a 2005 LE for MSRP 20,800. It was a lot quieter (both wind and road noise but it had bridgestone tires vs. the michelins on the accord and sonata) than the sonata 4 cyl and still better than the 6 cyl sonata. Beats the accord in that catagory also. The brakes being only front disc, sucked really bad. The car was a tad smooter over bumps then either sonata but the 6 cyl came pretty close to the camry there. The radio sucked eggs in the camry. The view in front was tight vs. the sonata (I like the sonata way better in this). the view out the back was obstructed some with the middle head restraint in the camry. The engine was quieter on acceleration vs. the 4 cyl sonata and I believe comparable to the V6 sonata. The power seat in the camry was nice. The AC sucked in the camry. The steering wheel vibrated some which is a problem with camry's. They have soft rubber motor mounts to dampen the vibration but when they go, they go. I had problems with this with both of my 1994 camrys at 6 years of age and 120K miles. The camry has a full spare which is nice. The camry had a 2100 RPM at 70MPH which I know will get the 33-35 MPG on the highway.
On price, the camry guy said the 20,800 MSRP could be had for 17500 in a heartbeat (before taxes and tag stuff for an extra 650 in SC). Not bad but the brakes and driver's view really bothers me. My wife hates the camry due to the boring dash and stereo and no wood grain trim (I hate wood grain trim).
On the sonata pricing, the GL at 19500 MSRP was offered to me at 19200. I said some dealers are offering the same price but some were going at 200 over invoice (18000 invoice for this car). I WONT pay 19200 for a sonata period. At that point, I lost all interest and just walked out of the showroom.
He said that the LX's are going at 250 below MSRP and no lower. Fine. Don't want a 6 cyl sonata.
I thought about this more at home. I can get a camry with the side air bags, JBL stereo, 4 wheel disc brakes, wood trim (an SE or XLE version) and sunroof and with the discount of about 3500-3800, I can get it for 19200. And I wouldn't have to worry about it breaking down.
All in all, I believe the sonata GL or GLS has a very slight edge over the camry (and accord since we own an EX-L 4 cyl 2004). That is only at a hundred or two over invoice, not 1200 over invoice. So, I guess I'll have to wait for the fall for rebates and interest incentives to entice me back on the lot. Hyundai says they're selling strong but every time I've been to my dealer, there might be one or two people talking but at the toyota place, there are at least 1/2 dozen or more looking or talking to buy.
Sorry Hyundai. You're going to have to drop the price to interest some people. That's my 2 cents.
#1289 of 7872 Sonata LOUD ROAD NOISE: Disappointing test ride
Jul 10, 2005 (5:24 pm)
So, I test ride a 2006 Sonata GL automatic. Two buddies in the back (reported GREAT leg room for one guy, 6'2", 180, another ~5'10", ~165.) I'm in the driver's seat, 6'2", 210, and the salesman's in the passenger's seat. (5'7", 150?!).
As we pull out, the car fuel light goes on, so the salesman puts in two gallons.
On the highway, it's kind of loud. My buddies in the back seat say, "It's really loud." This at 52 mph, 60 mph, 65 mph, 70 mph. THEN...we cross the county line (from Snohomish County to King County, on I-5 [Seattle area]) onto the rough King County I-5 roads (snow tire damage). TOO LOUD!
My buddies keep hearing a 'thumping' sound. I feel like I'm in an uncomfortable echo chamber. I thought this was supposed to be a really quiet car!
Apart from my buddies reporting the rear floor carpet could be moved by one's heal, and the LOUD NOISE (too loud, one buddy said), they thought it was good. They LOVED the rear seat room.
The salesman suggested the LX would be quieter because of more sound dampening. The internet salesman disputed that later. (I've not heard of this. Is it true?!?!?)
I'm really disappointed by the road noise. Not just road noise, but wind noise, too.
Also, the local FM public radio staion had interference. Lousy radio!!!
I was really psyched out about this car. But, because of the road noise, I may have been psyched out.
#1290 of 7872 Re: some comments on the 2006 sonata [chevymalibu]
Jul 10, 2005 (6:33 pm)
Agree completely about the Michelins and the lack of rebates. The Michelins on my 01 Elantra were sub-par and over priced. I paid $16K for a Malibu Maxx and wouldn't pay more for a Sonata. Interestingly enough the Maxx has some OEM low end Bridgestones that look terrible on paper but are much more satisfying than the Energies.
Again-- bring me that beautiful photo-chopped Sonata wagon at the same price as the Maxx and I'd be in that camp big time.
#1291 of 7872 Re: some comments on the 2006 sonata [chevymalibu]
Jul 10, 2005 (6:37 pm)
Take heart. There weren't any incentives on the Tucson when it first came out either, but now less than a year after it debuted there are large rebates and discounts on it, e.g. automatic GLs for about $16k in my town. And the midsized sedan market is even more competitive than the small SUV market.
#1292 of 7872 GL with AT & floor mats
Jul 10, 2005 (7:58 pm)
purchased for $18,200 +TTL with no hassle in Arizona. GLS 4 with no options could be had for a little over $18,600. They didn't have my color so went with the GL. This was $300 under car direct at the time of purchase. Heading for a long trip so will see if I made the right decision.
#1293 of 7872 Re: Sonata LOUD ROAD NOISE: Disappointing test ride [therealpotus]
Jul 11, 2005 (6:16 am)
I heard the same thump that you are talking about. I think that is do to the spare tire in the trunk not being secured. I just couldn't believe that would be something that was overlooked at the testing grounds of auto manufacturer
#1294 of 7872 Back on this discussion again
Jul 11, 2005 (8:01 am)
Sorry but doing my research. That oil filter on the 4 cyl GL looked like a spin-on. I just checked Purolator.com and they list a 2006 sonata 4 cyl application for an oil filter. The number was/is PL14459 or L14459 and showed pictures for a spin-on. I just called my local Hyundai part dept and he said the 4 cyl oil filters were just released last week and are a spin-on. cost 7.67 for one or 13 for two. He mumbled that the 6 cyl might be a cartridge type but I didn't press that and didn't get a firm answer.
So, it seems the 4 cyl is a spin-on. I like that better. Take one negative from the sonata negative column now. Good day.
Jul 11, 2005 (9:23 am)
I've driven the Sonata and it is not loud inside period. Even the car magazines say it isn't loud inside, and they list the decible values for the car, and the Sonata is not some loudspeaker compared to the Sonata.
If you go into a car wanting it to be loud, whether or not it is loud, it is going to be loud to you.
Why does everyone care that it doesn't have a fullsize spare? It's not like we're limping around on spares all the time, AND it has roadside assistance.
Jul 11, 2005 (9:43 am)
just found out from another dealer navi will come out mid-production year possibly around christmas. this is SO weird... I've heard from some in mid-july... some things I'm nuts and that it'll never come out...and just today I hear mid-production year. hmmmm anyone heard anything else?
#1297 of 7872 Re: Sounds [mononeo]
Jul 11, 2005 (10:34 am)
"Why does everyone care that it doesn't have a fullsize spare? "
Because you are supposed to drive less than 50 miles on a donut tire at low speeds. The donut tire is only designed to get you to a repair shop. That's fine for local driving. But lets say you're driving on a long trip on a Sunday and a tire goes flat. With a donut spare, you have to find a repair shop and get the tire repaired, which will cost you some time. With a full sized spare, you can change the flat and be on your way and then get the tire repaired at your convenience. So if you don't travel very much, a donut spare will be fine. But would you feel safe doing 70+mph on a donut spare? I wouldn't! Manufacturers use them because of low cost and finding space to store them in the vehicle, but they are not meant for long term use.