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| Ethanol has never been a good idea as a motor fuel and its promotion as such has been an obvious attempt to subsidize agriculture (again). | |
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This is a rather silly thread. There's no such thing as any fuel that's "good" for the environment. The best you can realistically hope for is "no damage to". As for data on the subject, please provide a link to an actual WHITE PAPER. That summary is totally void of any detail and clearly has an organizational bias. With actual data, we can discuss the programs in place that have greatly improved the growing & refining process. Large steps forward have been made to reduce the environmental impact and to deliver a higher overall energy yield. Also, don't forget similar efforts have been made with the production of biodiesel too. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Jul 29, 2004 4:31 am) ethanol production does not enhance energy security, is not a renewable energy source, is not an economical fuel, and does not ensure clean air...its production uses land suitable for crop production and causes environmental degradation." http://www.taxpayer.com/ltts/sk/April28-04.htm
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Replying to: john1701a (Jul 29, 2004 4:31 am) You keep Ethanol in the Midwest we don't want it in CA. It is not a left right biased issue, it is a "buying votes from the farmers" issue. If you don't consider "Friends of the Earth" a viable Organization, you will probably continue to believe that it is not costing more to produce than it is worth. The only positive spin you will find on Ethanol is from the folks that are profiteering from it. “If the ethanol producers and the corn growers weren’t benefiting from this, we wouldn’t be doing it,” said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., last week. “There’s no policy reason to do this.” http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3540967/
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 29, 2004 5:50 am) SHOW ME THE DATA! Being shoveled digested information serves no purpose but to entertain. Not knowing how the conclusion was come to is clearly evidence of a non-objective stance. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Jul 29, 2004 6:03 am) What is the 52 cents per gallon subsidy? That comes out of my taxes. you should be paying that with every gallon you purchase, not me. As a MN farmer I can tell you the only way to plant corn year after year is with huge amounts of chemical fertilizer. That in itself is very harmful to the ground water in YOUR state. ADM does not care if you have lousy water. My property was right on the Long Prairie River and we refused to use any chemicals that would leech into the river. Only the stuff our cattle produced. You will have a hard time finding data that is current because it is hidden in a cloak of deception. No one in the business is going to tell you they are spending 2 bucks to produce a bucks worth of Ethanol. Not when Uncle Sam has a 5 billion dollar subsidy sitting on the table for the next 8 years. Alaska got an exemption because it caused way more ice fog in the winter during testing. I'm surprised you don't see more in Minneapolis in the winter.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 29, 2004 6:31 am) Yet, you believe the info you have. What's wrong with that picture? The EPA and select colleges perform studies of that nature all the time. They publicly publish their findings. Let's see those. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Jul 29, 2004 6:37 am) Nothing is wrong with that picture. Cornell University's study is the only viable study that has been made public. Show me a study where Ethanol is making money and does not have an adverse environmental impact. Here is an article touting the virtues of Ethanol. What's wrong with this picture? More than 60% of the world’s supply of ethanol is estimated to be derived from sugar, with Brazil – a sugarcane growing country – in the lead. I see nothing wrong with clearing the rainforset to plant Sugarcane, duh!!! http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_old_idea_made/
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 29, 2004 6:49 am) You are the one insisting the ALL OR NONE approach, not me. Clearly, we have different goals. JOHN
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U.S. Department of Energy Study indicates that ethanol is responsible for more nitrous oxide. Now let me research Biodiesel for you..... http://www.qctimes.com/qcbizjournal/internal.php?story_id=1030270- &l=1&t=Agriculture&c=93,1030270 |
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