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599 messages, Last post on Oct 30, 2006 at 12:06 AM
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When I say "sports car" I refer to Vette, Porche, .... cars INTENDED and built specifically to stick to the road when cornering at 70 MPH and doing 0-60 in 5 or less seconds... I would have a wider definition of "sports car", myself. (Using your definition, you'd have to exclude way too many cars, especially of just a few years ago!) Personally, I'm not a big fan of the ever escalating horsepower; a sports car should be more than just raw power. I'm not saying that I would consider a tC a "sports car", but it seems more than an econobox, and I'm willing to entertain the thought that it might at least be a "pretty darned sporty car".  I guess part of my frustration in shopping for cars is finding something that is really sporty but yet has some compromises for the real world. if hauling people is a priority compact coupes are not going to work - that includes RSX, Mini.... I think the tC had (barely) more headroom in the back than the RSX and a lot more legroom. I dunno, as long as you don't need to haul more than one other person most of the time, it might not be too bad for once in a while... I didn't spend much time in the Mini's backseat, but it looked pretty usable. I share your concern with the occassional times you would put people back there but in my experience the few times I have had to do that, the comments from the back seat were more in line with "I can't believe how much room there is back here!" Assuming I give the tC a closer look, I'll play with the seat recline and see what kind of a difference it makes. It really does seem like a lot of room, at least until my head gets less than an inch away from the glass. Legs have a lot tho. I like the idea of a sports, er, sporty car that can actually reasonably seat 4, but still not look like a sedan.
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Replying to: got_vtec (Jul 07, 2005 7:14 pm) I've pushed this car to see what it has and without taking it to the track, it not only satisfied me, it exceded expectations - its a blast! I guess my "sport" point is more directed at those that have knocked the car for not being"sporty" enough, but the attributes they complain about are found in the types of "sports" cars I defined rather than in the $20k "sporty" class. While somewhat priced like one, the tC is definately not an econobox - but its not a Vette either, just want to keep things in perspective. I can't argue if you wish to widen the Sports car definition I just want to keep an apples-to-apples comparison. In its class, the tC is without question the best all-around value and whatever advantages one may be able to squeeze out of the competition are ones I did not find worth the thousands of $ difference. As for your back seat dilemma, I will be honest and admit a definite issue with the head room. With the way I intended to use this car, that wasn't a big issue for me, your needs may be different. "I guess part of my frustration in shopping for cars is finding something that is really sporty but yet has some compromises for the real world." With that statement, I think you defined the tC perfectly! All I know for certain is that as long as you are the one behind the wheel, you will not regret getting a tC. |
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I bought my tC in late September 05, and I love it. The only problem has been the roof. It sporadically creaked and cracked when I first got it, and the problem has gotten worse and worse. I tried to have it fixed, but the dealer said it was because the seals were dirty. They took it all apart and put it back together, basically, and now the problem has gotten worse. Just today it didn't want to close for me, which worries me. It is going into the dealer (different one) tomorrow for the 10000 mile service and to try to fix the roof once again.
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Replying to: weav727 (Jul 12, 2005 9:43 am) I have returned to the dealer 3 times and am currently waiting to be contacted by the regional Scion rep. for an appointment to meet at the dealership. There is a TSB (technical service bulletin) issued by Toyota to the dealers regarding the roof issues, however, my dealership elected to ignore same and attempt their own "fix," which did not work. While the car is otherwise great, I plan to begin looking for a used G35 coupe and absorb the loss on the tc if the next attempt is not successful. Good luck.
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Replying to: genee (Apr 21, 2005 9:51 am) |
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Just got back from a 2000 mile road trip, and the car's flaws just keep worsening as it approaches 10K miles. The road noise is certainly from the tires. Most of the time its nominal, but I've found rough highway pavements can really bring out the loud drone. Personally, between the road noise and the wheel scrapes, I'd have been happier without low profile tires. After two failed sunroof repairs, the continuing rattling is now being supplemented by the headliner rattling - and the glovebox rattling noise that just developed when I actually put stuff in there. My GM engineer friend agrees that all these noises are unacceptable for a new car. I've already had the stick shift boot cover fall apart on me when trying to clean it, and getting it back together wasn't easy. Just cheap install work. Got the plastic rear deck liner falling apart from the edges now. New problem I'd never have predicted. Meanwhile, the front's paint chipping, including the hood and mirrors, looks like a 3 year old car, rather than 9 months. I can't believe how soft and cheap the paint job is. When shopping for a new car and specifically considering the Mazda 3 vs tC, I thought the tC's ergonomics of long doors, heavy hatch, annoying stereo cover, partially lit brake light, small stereo buttons, excessively bright high beam light, floppy rear deck cover, huge key, tempormental remote, uncomfortable head rest positioning, and non-emptying ash tray were the flaws I'd have to accept. I did; but I was not prepared to add quality control problems on top of that. The car runs great and looks great, but the cumulative annoyances - in ergonomic design and manufacturing quality - are really giving me buyer's remorse. I love and respect Toyotas, but I would not buy this car again or recommend it to others!!!
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Replying to: jcf (Jul 18, 2005 12:19 pm)  . i have 6k on my 05 tc and it looks, runs & sounds like the day i bought it.
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Replying to: jcf (Jul 18, 2005 12:19 pm) It would seem to me that if the glove box didn't "rattle" when empty, the rattle must be caused by what you put into it. Secure those items and you may solve your problem. I would contest several of the issues you raised as shortcomings of the car (chalk them off as personal preference) and wonder why with a list that long you bought the car in the first place. (Unless the "do not like" list was even longer for the 3) I don't think Toyota's quality and reliability record needs to be defended and to defer to a GM person as to what is "acceptable" would be laughable if not so sad. There are no doubt some "first year" issues with your car, but based on my experience and seemingly that of many others, yours (if it as horrible as you say) is an exception to the rule. That doesn't make life any easier for you and I sympathize. Just want you and others to know that not all tC's are like yours. Can't please everyone!
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Replying to: williered (Jul 13, 2005 5:58 pm) I do like your solution - rather than belly-ache, if you are not satisfied with the car, get rid of it and try something else! Others should heed your wisdom. Personally, I'm not so sure I would jump into a G35 (at least save some bucks and get the Z). I've driven them and while impressed, for the price found plenty to question. But hey, it's a great car and if you don't like that one, try another. that's what is so great about having so many auto choices out there. I am quite satisfied with the tC but will surely try something new and exciting when it comes time to change or if I ever become disatisfied. For now I have 15k trouble free, enjoyable miles and look forward to many more. If you do make the switch, do us a favor on this site and let us know how you make out selling the tC. I would be interested to hear what the resale is. Good luck. |
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Replying to: tonylexus (Jul 21, 2005 9:27 am) I put the car in the shop this week for a third time on the roof. This time, the rep and mechanic took the problem more seriously. Our test drive together confirmed two loud, obvious, annoying roof noises - a popping noise from body flex, and another rattling noise from rough roads. They kept the car for 2 days, gave me a free rental, and treated me like gold. They've ordered over $1000 of replacement parts for a rebuild next week. Looks like I'm following in Stickguy's footsteps. The headboard liner rattle will hopefully be fixed with the roof replacement. The rear hatch plastic interior liner also has to be replaced. It simply fell apart. The glovebox rattles, not from two books inside, but from the weight of the books causing some new tweak. Solution: keep the box empty. Comment: another little poor quality annoyance. OK, I've complained enough and made my point - but with good cause. Remember, this is a "problems & solutions" forum, meaning criticism is to be expected. Besides, its appropriate that potential buyers be informed of all the potential problems and weaknesses with the car. It might influence their decision. |
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